Bahnstormer

[NLC]

So what. Why is that relevant? If its an ex ORS bike, it will have been inspected (and rectified if needed prior to customer collection) and warranted by the supplying dealer.

Pointing out the heritage of the bike was to bring some context to the discussion. ORS bikes who have been a character in the BMW German version of Mad Max are likely to perhaps (comparing a new bike and an ORS bike) experience more component failure and a greater probability of a visit to the Dealer. You buy these discounted bikes knowing their history with an open mind as you buy anything mechanical. The bikes are sold with a warranty but an also implicit disclosure that "hey this bike has been at our training school and it has had a hard life. It needs a new good home. We've done our best to rectify any current problems and happy to sort out anything that may arise with a warranty." It was unfortunate that it didn't get sorted the first time but invoking the business equivalent of the nuclear final solution was a bit unfair to the Dealer.

Since March 1st (5 days) this thread has been viewed 2,875 times which is truly astonishing. Businesses live and die by the internet. The conversations are often unbalanced and sometimes unfair. In this case as a complete outsider I thought it was unfair to Dealer. My position may not be popular but just calling it like I see it.

It also seems that the OPs tune is changing as well which is nice to see.

Post 1

Really unhelpful ! an error on there part and can't put themselves out to correct the situation. I have been going there out of area to use them, just spent over 600 quid this visit...there 3 dealers nearer to me, looks like that is finished for me, bye bye bahnstormer. Its not making a mistake its how you correct it, in there case it seems we don't care!!

Post 58

It's fixed, I havn't lost faith in the BMW brand, I know Bahnstormer are a generally good.

C'mon Frank just go down to Bahnstormer and give them a hug..

Keep calm and carry on as they say.

 

[WindyChuffer]

Pointing out the heritage of the bike was to bring some context to the discussion. ORS bikes who have been a character in the BMW German version of Mad Max are likely to perhaps (comparing a new bike and an ORS bike) experience more component failure and a greater probability of a visit to the Dealer. You buy these discounted bikes knowing their history with an open mind as you buy anything mechanical. The bikes are sold with a warranty but an also implicit disclosure that "hey this bike has been at our training school and it has had a hard life. It needs a new good home. We've done our best to rectify any current problems and happy to sort out anything that may arise with a warranty." It was unfortunate that it didn't get sorted the first time but invoking the business equivalent of the nuclear final solution was a bit unfair to the Dealer.

Its still irrelevant that it was an ORS bike.

What is relevant is that the bike was used...

...and when you buy used you need to have a different level of expectation to when you buy new.

Regardless, it was bought from a main dealer, and the bike comes with a warranty; and warranties come with t's & c's. I presume the OP has read them.

(Not that I'm taking sides with the OP or the dealer; am staying well out of that minefield !)

Now as an aside, some folks buy an ORS bike, tart it up, then sell it on, without declaring its past. I'd say that's immoral, and not something that I would do; but on the other hand, there is no legal obligation to disclose...and therefore any disclosure should be considered a bonus.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Its still irrelevant that it was an ORS bike.

What is relevant is that the bike was used...

...and when you buy used you need to have a different level of expectation to when you buy new.

Regardless, it was bought from a main dealer, and the bike comes with a warranty; and warranties come with t's & c's. I presume the OP has read them.

(Not that I'm taking sides with the OP or the dealer; am staying well out of that minefield !)

Now as an aside, some folks buy an ORS bike, tart it up, then sell it on, without declaring its past. I'd say that's immoral, and not something that I would do; but on the other hand, there is no legal obligation to disclose...and therefore any disclosure should be considered a bonus.

Ahh....................but where does 'wear and tear' come into it

GS- 2500 miles on an ORS bike, isn't like 2500 miles on a similar bike - primarily used on the road

Bikes destined for offroad use, come with a limited warranty or no warranty

If you bought a 'trail bike' with a 2 year warranty and it had hard offroad use, then I'm sure the manufacture would refute some claims based on wear and tear

BMW do the same with the ORS, I bet............. in year 2 of the BMW warranty............invoking 'fair wear & tear' clauses

 

[WindyChuffer]

Ahh....................but where does 'wear and tear' come into it

GS- 2500 miles on an ORS bike, isn't like 2500 miles on a similar bike - primarily used on the road

Bikes destined for offroad use, come with a limited warranty or no warranty

If you bought a 'trail bike' with a 2 year warranty and it had hard offroad use, then I'm sure the manufacture would refute some claims based on wear and tear

BMW do the same with the ORS, I bet............. in year 2 of the BMW warranty............invoking 'fair wear & tear' clauses

Sure...but it could be a non-ORS bike that has been used / abused off road. Therefore its irrelevant its on ORS bike....

 

[cookie]

it's certainly irrelevant to me. i wouldn't buy one in a month of sundays.

 

[NLC]

Its still irrelevant that it was an ORS bike.

What is relevant is that the bike was used...

...and when you buy used you need to have a different level of expectation to when you buy new.

Regardless, it was bought from a main dealer, and the bike comes with a warranty; and warranties come with t's & c's. I presume the OP has read them.

(Not that I'm taking sides with the OP or the dealer; am staying well out of that minefield !)

Now as an aside, some folks buy an ORS bike, tart it up, then sell it on, without declaring its past. I'd say that's immoral, and not something that I would do; but on the other hand, there is no legal obligation to disclose...and therefore any disclosure should be considered a bonus.

Windy while I respect your point of view the mention of the ORS was to bring required context to the discussion. I'm assuming the Dealer disclosed that the bike is not only used but is also an ORS alumnist reflected in the price. As said before the Dealer for whatever reason didn't fix the bike the first time. Shit happens. This bike obviously has more wear and tear than a normal bike and potentially more problems are to be expected. The bike comes with a warranty. The main point is that the OP should have been a little more patient (given the bike has a disclosed history) with the repair than pushing the missile launch button or in this case "send".

As they say, t'is horsey has been flogged or in this case the bike.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Sure...but it could be a non-ORS bike that has been used / abused off road. Therefore its irrelevant its on ORS bike....

Bollocks and you know it

I doubt many BMW GS (and the lower cc variants)in the hands of one single private owner in 9 months and 2500 miles, will have had the same level of abuse as an ORS bike,

As you know they are ridden 5-6 days a week, totally offroad by a variety of users (who are incompetent in offroad riding) - they are dropped and crashed every hour without fail, thrown at rocks and ridden through loads of deep water

If that's the same as a private owner who rides mainly on the road, with a weekly offroad foray no and again.................then you live in cloud cuckoo land

 

[WindyChuffer]

Lol. You should have seen my last GSA, my '09 that got nicked just before its 2nd birthday around this time last year. That was, ahem, suitably abused !

At the end of the day, most of the issues with the ORS bikes are cosmetic....

Whenever you are buying anything used you have absolutely no idea how the engine has been thrashed & caned...including sports bikes, cars etc.

 

[cookie]

Whenever you are buying anything used you have absolutely no idea how the engine has been thrashed & caned...including sports bikes, cars etc.

you can be pretty fecking certain how the ORS bikes have been treated though

 

[WindyChuffer]

you can be pretty fecking certain how the ORS bikes have been treated though

Yes. Dropped a lot. Not thrashed. Well maintained.

 

[NLC]

Yes. Dropped a lot. Not thrashed. Well maintained.

or impaled - Rock punctured the cylinder head of this poor little G650. Was surprised that it did start though.

 

[WindyChuffer]

Yup - seen that happen too. So what? Can happen to any bike...

 

[cookie]

Yes. Dropped a lot. Not thrashed. Well maintained.

...and kicked through the gears

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Yes. Dropped a lot Not thrashed. Well maintained.

Bike on side, engines running

Bike on side, engine's running, revving its tits off & throttle stuck open, because it's jammed in a muddy bank

Bike on side, engine's running - dropped in a water section or stream

Bike on side, gear lever and linkage bent and damaged

Lovely, just a bit of cosmetic damage

Yeah..................right


Just what happens...................... when you let a load of novice numbnuts ride offroad, on an expensive 'road orientated' new bike

 

[Frankh]

Ahh....................but where does 'wear and tear' come into it

GS- 2500 miles on an ORS bike, isn't like 2500 miles on a similar bike - primarily used on the road

Bikes destined for offroad use, come with a limited warranty or no warranty

If you bought a 'trail bike' with a 2 year warranty and it had hard offroad use, then I'm sure the manufacture would refute some claims based on wear and tear

BMW do the same with the ORS, I bet............. in year 2 of the BMW warranty............invoking 'fair wear & tear' clauses

It only had 1500 miles at the ORS Runs great I am expecting many trouble free miles ahead

 

[shugie]

If you can get an ORS bike at a good price, and aren't too fussy about some cosmetic damage, they are fine. Although I'd probably not want one of the lumpen1200s from them.

Bahnstormer made an error last time they serviced my 1200, I rang them, they came and collected if from me, sorted the problem and returned it. One of my favourite measures of the quality of a company is how fast and willingly they sort problems, as no company can ever be 100%.

 

[Steptoe]

If you can get an ORS bike at a good price, and aren't too fussy about some cosmetic damage, they are fine. Although I'd probably not want one of the lumpen1200s from them.

I prepared an ex off road school 1200ADv, ready for the last globebusters tour of america/south america.

I was pleased to hear from the owner that it was one of the very very few bikes that had no trouble whatsoever on the whole trip

 

[NLC]

Yes I was told that the ORS Adventures can be a good deal since they only let the instructors drive them.

Edit: Just saw the video below. Off that!

 

[flatdog]

Yes I was told that the ORS Adventures can be a good deal since they only let the instructors drive them.

Apparently not, look at the other post, last video

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295401

 

[twizzle]

I'm glad the OP header has been modified..... it was unfair to have a topic line so strong as the post has turned into a ORS bike debate.....
to add my 2p.......
Bahnstormer are my local dealer, but i ride a 2001 1150........ (So use Steptoe!!) .... But i do buy the spares i need from them and have also had them do the odd job..... the service has been excellent and IMHO reasonably priced,... (Although i am aware they treat the old uns to a little discount!!)
If and I mean if...... I ever buy a new GSA 1200 I would not go anywhere else.....
Now, my 2p on ORS bikes....... it’s a simple one..... Are they not sold cheap to reflect the fact they are ex-ORS..... Simples then your choice minty 2008 loved one owner GSA 1200 or thrashed ex- ORS 2011 bike for the same money!!..... You pay your money and take your choice!