Basemap theories...

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Ok following all the talk of imported units and basemap issues I decided to take a look around the basemap on my V.

Well feck me! I have pretty much the whole world with the N and S poles cut off (just below Tierra del Fuego in Argentina up to above Canada with the upper part of Greenland and N Russia clipped). I can see all the countries and their various main cities.

Intrigued I started seaching for cities and I think this is where the relevant basemap area comes into play. I have the European basemap and get places as far afield as Syria. Tried Texas (USA) out of interest and not listed but this doesn't stop me moving the cursor to it and zooming in.

With the basemap you get to see the main routes although you don't get the various side streets in towns - I guess that's why we buy City Select or Navigator. Outisde of the basemap you only see main towns and international borders, no main routes.

So unless you venture off the loaded maps and have to rely on the basemap AND want autorouting from it I'd say (as Mr Tickle has been saying all along) the basemap isn't all that relevant.

Apologies to all those that already knew/understood this but I wanted to see it for myself and thought others might be interested.

Adam :beerjug:
 
Just found on Garmin's website:

This basemap comes factory installed with the BMW Motorcycles Navigator, GPSMAP 196, StreetPilot 2610/2650, StreetPilot III, and GPS V.

Garmin mapping units come with built-in, permanent basemaps that cannot be altered. These basemaps come in a variety of global designations (ie., Atlantic basemap). Please see your local dealer when purchasing a Garmin mapping unit to ensure that you are purchasing one with a basemap that's appropriate for your location and needs. Factory-installed basemaps cannot be altered.

Atlantic Autoroute Basemap

The Atlantic Autoroute basemap includes Europe, extreme western Russia, Africa, and the Middle East, and covers an area from N75 to S60 Latitude, W30 to E60 Longitude. Also included is a high-level worldwide map with political boundaries and major cities.

The standard map coverage for the Atlantic basemap includes:

Oceans, rivers and lakes (greater than 30 square miles)
Principal cities and a small amount of smaller cities and towns
Major motorways and/or interstates and principal highways
Political boundaries (state and international borders)
Large and Medium Airports
Urban areas greater than 200K
A. Iceland, Great Britain, Baltic States, Denmark, Germany, Benelux, France, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Italy and Southern Africa (up to S20 Latitude) - In addition to the standard map coverage, these areas also include:

Small lakes, major streams and rivers
Urban areas
Railroads
Regional arterial roadways
Exits for major motorways and/or interstates (Europe Only)
Small cities and towns

Americas Autoroute Basemap

The Americas Routable basemap includes the United States, Alaska, Canada, Mexico, and Central and South America, and covers an area from W180 to W30 Longitude, S60 to N72 Latitude. Also included is a high-level worldwide map with political boundaries and major cities.

standard map coverage includes:

Oceans, rivers, and lakes (greater than 30 sq. miles)
Principal cities and a small amount of smaller cities and towns
Major interstates and principal highways
Political boundaries (state and international borders)
Railroads
Major Airports
A. United States - In addition to the standard map coverage, it also includes:

Small lakes, major streams, and rivers
Principal urban areas (including Alaska and Hawaii)
National- and State-level roads
Many local roads in or near urban areas
More detailed coastline
Airports
A database of exits for the Federal Interstate highway system. This includes many businesses within about ¼ mile of the exit, including: restaurants, diesel/gas, hotels/lodging, overnight RV parking, dumps, campgrounds, truckstops, medical facilities, shopping and outlet malls, ATMs, and many more attractions.
Tide stations
B. Alaska - In addition to the standard map coverage, it also includes:

National- and State-level roads, plus some local roads in or near urban areas
Lakes greater than 5 square miles
Small cities and towns
Tide stations
C. Canada - In addition to the standard map coverage, it also includes:

Lakes greater than 5 square miles (Southern Canada)
Lakes greater than 10 square miles (Central Canada)
D. Mexico, Central and South America

Standard Map Coverage
 
Hi,

Just be careful about relying on basemaps for tricky navigation - just done an African trip using my Garmin Legend - and I thought it would be great - all the roads we were planning to use were on the basemap. Until you get there, and you find that the road on the map is only a rough approximation to the real road. Like, at times, two or three km out! Cities were pretty accurate though.

Probably worth investigating the world map CD - that's what I would do next time.
 
You forgot us downunder;


Pacific Autoroute Basemap:

The Pacific Autoroute Highway basemap includes Asia, Australia, and Oceania, and covers an area from E60 to E180 Longitude, S60 to N75 Latitude.

The standard map coverage includes:

1. Oceans, rivers, lakes and major streams
2. Principal cities and smaller cities and towns
3. Major and principal highways, regional arterials, and some local roads
4. Political boundaries (state and international borders)
5. Large Urban areas (greater than 50K)
6. More detailed coastline with many smaller islands
7. Railroads
8. Airports
 
Some nasty comments coming out of some forums about both the Americas and Atlantic basemaps in the GPSmap 60C ;

Altho they are both auto-routing basemaps apparently they have significantly less detail than the basemaps in the SPIII and GPS V.

Perhaps Garmin is trying to give us even less reason to buy our local models and more reason to purchase from the US ?
 
Sorry Burnie, it wasn't intentional, I didn't see the Pacific basemap text.

I should get my Americas basemap 60C in about a week and will post comments once I've had chance to play but the more I hear about the basemap the less I'm worried about not having a European one.

I only found out yesterday that my order was on hold awaiting manufacture of the RAM mount - about 30 - 45 days - so I've dropped the RAM mount for now.

On another note I notice someone on eBay is auctioning/selling a 60C in the UK directly imported from the US. No mention of basemap and the small print says the buyer is liable to pay any duty and VAT incurred. Good scam if it sells.

Adam :beerjug:
 
I've had my GPSMAP76s for over a year now and i've never used the basemap (atlantic) for anything other than a few motorway legs on journeys. I guess if you've got enough map memory (and appropriate garmin CD) for your trip the basemap isnt relevant.
 
IainMac: The basemap does serve a number of functions beyond just providing routing capability when detail map segments are not loaded. I explained this in detail in posts I made on this thread: To use a North American 2610 over here....

I don't want to re-ignite that discussion, because it turned from being a technical discussion to a marketing discussion. But, if you want the complete "technical" background on basemaps, have a look at the posts I made on pages 2 and 3 of that thread.

PanEuropean
 
markbatey said:

Probably worth investigating the world map CD - that's what I would do next time.

From my experience, the world map detail is no better than the base maps.
I wouldn't mind betting ('coz I'm not sure) that it's the "World Map" mapping detail that is loaded by Garmin as the base map.
 
markbatey said:
Hi,

Just be careful about relying on basemaps for tricky navigation - .......
Until you get there, and you find that the road on the map is only a rough approximation to the real road. Like, at times, two or three km out!

I found the same in Norway.
The base map was best used at a scale of 3 miles or more. That way the arrow "appeared" to be on the road.
 
Howard:

I'm pretty sure that 'WorldMap' and the 'basemap' are not the same, because I have at times had both loaded on my GPSR, and compared the two. There are differences. But, both products are compliled from (I think) the same public domain source documentation, so this would explain the similarities. I am pretty sure that the basemap is more than just a routable version of WorldMap, though - this I know from noting big differences when riding in Canada. In general, the basemap will have far more roads on it (secondary roads) than WorldMap will - but they are pretty much the same so far as primary roads go.

Remember that you don't always see (on the screen) what is available in (any) mapping product. If you want to see everything that is there, you need to set your GPSR to maximum detail display, then zoom in to a pretty tight level. It's also important to know that you won't see the same thing on the PC as you will on the GPSR (for WorldMap, CN, etc.) in some views, because these CD based map products have their own "cosmetic basemap" that is used when they are displayed on a PC. This "cosmetic basemap" is not downloaded to the GPSR, nor is it the same as the GPSR's basemap.

But having said that, the two products do have similar levels of detail, and similar levels of "digital accuracy". Both are compressed quite tightly, to keep memory required fairly low, which explains why you start to see vectors rather than curves once you zoom in past a certain level.

This also explains the "accuracy" problem of the basemap. If the road is long and straight, the basemap is pretty accurate. As soon as the road starts to twist and turn, the accuracy on the basemap will degrade, because there are not as many reference points per mile to refer to as there are on, for example, a CN map.

PanEuropean
 
PanEuropean said:
Howard:

In general, the basemap will have far more roads on it (secondary roads) than WorldMap will

I bow to your greater experience, but on my e-trex vista (bought in USA) I found that it didn't have roads on it that were shown on a 1" to 25 mile road atlas. However, I don't know if those roads are on "World Map" either.
 
You'll also find that in some areas, Southern Ireland for instance, that the basemap on an SP3 for example has roads and routing that the City Navigator Europe doesn't.

Try using the City navigator Europe at 30mi zoom on your PC to route from Cork to Bantry (it goes into an enless loop as it doesn't have the routing info available), then try it on your SP3 (it does it OK).

Sometimes the basemap is more usefull than the City Navigator maps!
 
Hi Howard:

Although I have done a lot of travel with the autorouting Garmin GPSR's (SP III and SP 2650), I still don't have the basemap - CN issue fully figured out. Maybe 99%, but not fully - I still get surprises.

What I have noted that is of interest to us as moto riders is as follows: The basemap doesn't do much for us in urban areas that are well covered by CN. It does become very important in rural areas that are not well covered by CN. I don't know what CN coverage is like in the British Isles (having only spent one summer riding there), but I am pretty familiar with the basemap - CN issues in Canada, the USA, and Western Europe.

In Canada - for example, northern Ontario or anywhere in Alberta - the basemap will have a whole whack more roads on it than CN will. Problem is, we don't see any of these roads on the basemap unless we turn off the CN map segments for the area we are in, because the CN map segments will always "overlay" and hide the basemap, even if the CN segments have less data in them.

I have often tried to generate a route from A to B in rural Canada or rural USA, and had the GPSR (running the most up to date version of CN) fail to generate an appropriate route. It took me some time to realize that if I turned off the CN segments, and allowed the basemap to do the route generation, I would then get a pretty good route.

The cause of this problem is that NavTech has not yet mapped the whole darn world. I don't know how long it will take until they get it all done - probably a few more years - but until then, the basemap is a very good "out" when working in areas that have spotty coverage by CN. As of the end of last summer (last time I did a lot of riding), rural Western Canada (Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta) had pretty spotty coverage on CN, and rural north-western USA (Idaho, Montana, etc.) also had pretty spotty coverage. The Canada MetroGuide 4 that was released at the end of 2003 has probably addressed the holes in the Canadian coverage - and it supports autorouting. So, if a user has CN and MG Canada 4 loaded, all he or she has to remember to do is to turn off the CN segments once out in the rural areas, to allow the MG Canada 4 segments to take over.

In the USA - I don't think they really have a good fix for this yet. I have heard that MG USA is based on slightly different cartography than CN NA, but they both come from NavTech. I think the basemap will be pretty essential for rural riding in the USA for some time to come. I encountered a number of problems where the CN data was missing a "connection" between roads - in other words, it looked like a route should have been possible, but the GPSR would not generate a sensible route with CN - where the only "out" for me was to switch off CN and use the basemap, which did not have the same digitization error.

In Europe, I have observed that CN coverage is close to perfect in Benelux, Germany, and Switzerland. It becomes spotty in the Republic of Ireland and in the romance language countries. Again, the basemap is much better than CN when outside of urban areas in these countries. The basemap will support autoroute generation in areas where CN won't, provided you turn off CN first, to allow the basemap to take over.

Although I suspect that WorldMap probably has about the same level of detail as the basemap (meaning, probably the same number of roads, highways, etc. per 1,000 square km's), WorldMap is a bit older than the autorouting basemaps (American or European), and WorldMap won't support autoroute generation. A good example of this is in Spain, where many of the recently constructed major motorways (multi-lane toll roads) were missing from the previous edition (last year's edition) of CN, but they were there on the basemap. They were missing from WorldMap, because WorldMap was published long before these roads were constructed.

Best way to test all this out on your own (it will make more sense to you once you see it displayed on your own GPSR) is to go out to a remote rural area, zoom out to a scale that shows the secondary and tertiary roads (but not the streets), then look at the CN picture. Now turn off the CN mapset and look at the (remaining) basemap picture. Often roads will appear from the basemap detail where there were no roads in the CN detail. If you also have WorldMap loaded, you can then compare all three - CN, WorldMap, and the basemap - by switching mapsets on and off.

I don't know what the quality of the current CN coverage in the UK is - if, for example, it is as complete and comprehensive as it is here in Switzerland, then who cares, you don't need a basemap at all. But, if there are any holes in it (meaning, if NavTech does not have 100% remote rural coverage of the UK), then the basemap is a very useful tool to have.

In another 3 to 5 years (when NavTech gets everywhere covered, 100%), all this won't matter. But at present, it does matter to riders who are doing long-distance trips. For folks who are just driving around in the same big city all the time, I suppose it hardly matters at all.

Just a final comment - you mentioned your eTrex - I don't know much about those, but be aware that there are two different basemaps for each geographic area, one which supports autorouting (SP III, SP 2650), and one that does not support autorouting (other ones). I doubt if the data is the same in each of them, simply because the auto-routing products came along later.

Hope this explains it better.

PanEuropean
 
Pan European, In my opinion the UK is pretty much covered well by CN, as I travel quite at lot around the UK, ( but I'm sure someone will tell me different:D ). I travel in France a lot and it's a different story there altogether. I wish I had known about how the base map works in relation to CN etc as you described, and in your previous posts as it would have saved me a lot of ( shall we say frustrating moments:))
John:D
 
Hi John:

Yea, I agree with you, France is really hard to figure out when it comes to the cartographic coverage. I spent a lot of time riding in the Hautes-Alpes region of France a couple of years ago (awesome riding there, by the way) and the CN Europe 4.0 coverage was very complete - it even had all the dirt forest roads and trails on it. But, towards Marseilles, some of the bigger highways were missing. Can't figure that one out. I suspect that each 'department' does their own cartography, and some are more advanced than others at the task.

Spain is the real disaster - at least, it was the real disaster with CN 4.0. Major motorways were incomplete - some segments were there, some were not. Portugal was kind of spotty as well, but not as bad as Spain. I did notice that the city streets in most Portuguese cities were missing road attributes (e.g. left turn restrictions, islands in the middle of boulevards), which suggests that either the municipal governments have not yet digitized that data for sale to NavTech, or NavTech have not yet driven the roads, or both.

I'll be doing another big European ride this summer, using CN 6.0, it will be interesting to see what the changes are between 2002 and 2004 mapping data.

PanEuropean
 
Pan European.
Hautes-Alpes region of France a couple of years ago (awesome riding there, by the way)
I agree with you, superb.
it even had all the dirt forest roads and trails on it.
Some of those were purported to be tarmac roads:D ,raised a few eyebrows. I still can't believe Spain as you say, Version 5 CN was no better than V4, they tell me V6 has much more this time, but still very very patchy. I'm doing the 3 gorges this year plus Provence, so it will be interesting to see how Ver 6 is improved.
John:)
 
3 Gorges - Isn't that was where they built the dam in China??? Not sure if there is a CD out for that yet (though there is now a Garmin CD for Taiwan). 3 gorges area might be a "BlueChart" CD now, rather than a "Road-Navigator". Depends on how fast it's filling up, I guess.

Seriously - if you mean the area just to the East of Toulouse (Albi, Millau, Alès region), the cartography is pretty good there. Riding ain't too shabby, either.

PanEuropean
 


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