Best travel insurance for the more aged among us

Depending on your medical history have you vonsideted swapping your current account to Nationwide? Their FlexPlus account costs £13 a month anx you get free travel insurance that includes winter sports as well as mobile insurance for the family living at your address and roadside rescue for the policy holder (so I added SWMBO to mine so we both get it) They do charge for known medical conditions and repeat meds but it might be worth you giving them a call and getting a quote.

This is mentioned and recommended quite regularly on these pages.

Is this the policy?


Whilst I admit I might well be looking at the wrong document, this is what the policy seems to say, in not so small print:


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If (and only if) this is the current and correct document, the important words in the brief mention of motorcycling are ‘Up to 125cc’. In other words, motorcycling on a machine with a capacity of greater than 125cc is excluded.

Is that correct?

If it is correct, does Nationwide’s Flexiplus allow you to separately buy-back cover for larger capacity machines? If so, it’s important that people who ride larger capacity machines do it before they embark on their travels. I can’t see it listed within the activities that can be brought-back; but I could well be wrong. Hopefully I am.

I only ask, as it might well prove to be very important.

Thanks.

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Steptoe will tell you the story of the customer of his, who was killed abroad without insurance. His wife and family, back home in England, were left in, shall we say, ‘difficult’ circumstances.

Of course, it is quite possible that you won’t die on your jaunts. But, instead you’ll simply be painfully or dangerously taken ill or injured, left with just the medical bills to pay. But hey, you are rich (all that interest from your bank accounts you were telling us about) or you’ll just say “Fuck them” and do a runner, on your one remaining leg.

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Or a retired inspector of my acquaintance who had a bad stroke in Italy...they couldn't ask him why he had no insurance because he couldn't speak...his poor wife was left to try and get the cash needed to get him home....not a situation anyone with half a brain should be in. Poor blokes dead now anyway, but what a legacy....
 
Or a retired inspector of my acquaintance who had a bad stroke in Italy...they couldn't ask him why he had no insurance because he couldn't speak...his poor wife was left to try and get the cash needed to get him home....not a situation anyone with half a brain should be in. Poor blokes dead now anyway, but what a legacy....

That is indeed a sobering tale.

Restarting Wapping’s Wanders, I have asked that the four of us on our little jaunt to the Pas de Calais, swap between us the details as to someone at home to call and insurance details, should the worse happen. Not knowing who to call on behalf of someone who is unwell, injured or worse, does not make things better, stood on the side of the road, in a hotel or hospital, even if you are only a short way from the UK, as the crow flies.
 
That's pretty good.

Does it cover motorbike insurance though? (I kinda doubt it but...)
I don’t know what you mean sparkers , that policy is coverage for a year , the coverage is for health insurance ie , if one gets sick/ unwell abroad - it will pay health care and repatriation if required .
Do you mean Health insurance that specifically covers one for riding a large motorcycle abroad ? ( other than USA / Canada , which is whole other thing )
 
This is a classic thread on how it is very easy for bods to muddle up and confuse something as simple as Travel insurance, bought every day by hundreds (or more) people.
 
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This is mentioned and recommended quite regularly on these pages.

Is this the policy?


Whilst I admit I might well be looking at the wrong document, this is what the policy seems to say, in not so small print:


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If (and only if) this is the current and correct document, the important words in the brief mention of motorcycling are ‘Up to 125cc’. In other words, motorcycling on a machine with a capacity of greater than 125cc is excluded.

Is that correct?

If it is correct, does Nationwide’s Flexiplus allow you to separately buy-back cover for larger capacity machines? If so, it’s important that people who ride larger capacity machines do it before they embark on their travels. I can’t see it listed within the activities that can be brought-back; but I could well be wrong. Hopefully I am.

I only ask, as it might well prove to be very important.

Thanks.

:beerjug:
. In other words, motorcycling on a machine with a capacity of greater than 125cc is excluded.

I spoke to them last year they have changed insurers know, they told me you are covered on your own bike over 125cc abroad but only insured up to 125cc if you hire a bike abroad, getting in touch with them in a week or so to see if there new affiliated company Aviva offers the same.
 
This is a classic thread on how it is very easy for bods to muddle up and confuse something as simple as Travel insurance, bought every day by hundreds (or more) of people.
That is a very fair point Wappers . I witnessed someone having a potentially hard lesson in the south of France years ago .
Cornish family that we knew well , met them most years for the camping/ windsurfing / beer drinking etc
The wife took unwell and was pronounced very sick needing emergency admission ,, collected in an Ambulance on blues , - turned out they had NO health ins at all ( these are smart middle class well to do people )
As it turned out , and for whatever reason The French Health service announced , no charge ,, but it gave the fella a lot to worry about all the time his wife was in hospital getting sorted out .
 
I made it up :augie

I mean, how likely would it be that young people do incredibly stupid things? That never happens, no sir.
How do you know my son? Brand new phone (told him to wait for the case and screen cover to arrive, did he listen?) - drops the thing, goes FUBAR, . Luckily he took out insurance, brand new replacement in 5 working days. Cost him £350 over 3 years, accidental damage, theft etc. Watch insured as well for theft and damage, £400+over 3 years. The new generation tend to not give a fuck about material things. I don't understated. :confused:
 
. In other words, motorcycling on a machine with a capacity of greater than 125cc is excluded.

I spoke to them last year they have changed insurers know, they told me you are covered on your own bike over 125cc abroad but only insured up to 125cc if you hire a bike abroad, getting in touch with them in a week or so to see if there new affiliated company Aviva offers the same.

People need to be really careful about what they think and / or what they read, particularly on internet forums or in chat rooms.

Nationwide make the following statement on their website:

Our FlexPlus Travel Insurance provider is changing to Aviva Insurance Limited (Aviva). For lots of our FlexPlus members, this will happen automatically on 1 May 2024. If you have an upgrade in place, U K Insurance Limited will continue to be your provider until your upgrade expires.

Reading that, it seems to say:

1. Only if you have upgrades in place on your existing policy, insured by UK Insurance Limited, does your existing policy stay active and then only until the upgrade expires. I take that to mean that, once it expires, that customers will switch automatically to the (possibly) more restrictive Aviva policy.

2. The policy I linked to is, I think, the current policy which carries the 125 cc limitation. I could though be wrong. Customers should, very carefully, check for themselves.

On a more general note. Besides being wary of what you read on the internet, ‘free’ insurance and other covers, provided by bank accounts and the like:

A. Are often very basic, stripped down versions of what is available (usually for a fairly modest cost) elsewhere.

B. DO change. The banks will tell you but it relies on you reading (and understanding) what the notification says. Then acting on it, if and as appropriate. Do not think that the whizzbang policy you had when you switched to say, Nationwide (possibly because your mate told you it is the dog’s bollocks) will always stay whizzbang, even if it ever was.

The same applies to conventional policies. They too, change. A good example would be the Post Office’s offering, which used to be highly recommended. They switched insurers. The new policy excluded, unusually perhaps, motorcycles with a capacity of greater than 1599 cc. Not a great concern if you ride say, an 1150 cc bike, but useless to me with my 1600 cc bike.

The ‘free’ policies are designed to cater for the run-of-the-mill Mr and Mrs Average and their 2.5 children. As a rule Mr and Mrs Average and their 2.5 children don’t ride or hire any motorcycles, scooters or mopeds. They do not care one jot about the exclusion or limitation, any more than I might care about rock climbing or morris dancing. YOU though might have very real need to care, when you are lying in a hospital bed, wondering who put that tube up your dick and….. more importantly….. who is now going to pay for it.

It’s very dull to read the words now but you’ll be reading them more than once when the chips are down. By then, it might well be too late. Trust me on that at least.
 
. In other words, motorcycling on a machine with a capacity of greater than 125cc is excluded.

I spoke to them last year they have changed insurers know, they told me you are covered on your own bike over 125cc abroad but only insured up to 125cc if you hire a bike abroad, getting in touch with them in a week or so to see if there new affiliated company Aviva offers the same.
You're good to go with Aviva.
From general exclusions and condition:
8. Any claim for an incident which happens during the trip that results from:
  1. a) you flying an aircraft or taking part in other aerial activities listed in the Leisure Activities section;
  2. b) you riding or being a passenger on a scooter, moped or motorcycle:
    • 125cc or under; unless you wear a crash helmet and, as a rider, you are fully licensed to use such a vehicle in the UK; or
    • over 125cc; unless this is your mode of transport from the UK and you wear a crash helmet and appropriate protective clothing; and, as a rider, you are fully licensed and insured to use this vehicle in the UK. There is no cover for trips taken outside of Europe.
 
With regards to making full disclosure of medical history I’ve often thought it would be better if you could let the insurance company access to your records ,a bit like when hiring a car you get a code from the dvla which is valid for a period of time the there wouldn’t be a case of forgetting to mention some fact which could invalidate your insurance .
 
This is the link to what I take to be the new Aviva backed Nationwide policy, effective from 01 May 2024.


From what I read from a very quick look, the new policy cover has been improved over the old policy (backed by UK Insurance) in as much as motorcycling is no longer capped at 125 cc. Anyone with the old policy and / or one that has the extensions granted, might like to check. But hey, do what you like.
 
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With regards to making full disclosure of medical history I’ve often thought it would be better if you could let the insurance company access to your records ,a bit like when hiring a car you get a code from the dvla which is valid for a period of time the there wouldn’t be a case of forgetting to mention some fact which could invalidate your insurance .

Some bods here get very arsey when it’s suggested that anyone or anything is allowed access to their medical data. It could though I guess be done with AI scanning thousands of NHS records, assuming that is that the records themselves are accurate and reasonably up-to-date. It also assumes that every customer uses the NHS for treatment/ consultations, lots now use medical insurance covers.
 
Good job i have read this.
What insurer do people use if not Nationwide ?
I was with Staysure.

Thanks
 
People need to be really careful about what they think and / or what they read, particularly on internet forums or in chat rooms.

Nationwide make the following statement on their website:



Reading that, it seems to say:

1. Only if you have upgrades in place on your existing policy, insured by UK Insurance Limited, does your existing policy stay active and then only until the upgrade expires. I take that to mean that, once it expires, that customers will switch automatically to the (possibly) more restrictive Aviva policy.

2. The policy I linked to is, I think, the current policy which carries the 125 cc limitation. I could though be wrong. Customers should, very carefully, check for themselves.

On a more general note. Besides being wary of what you read on the internet, ‘free’ insurance and other covers, provided by bank accounts and the like:

A. Are often very basic, stripped down versions of what is available (usually for a fairly modest cost) elsewhere.

B. DO change. The banks will tell you but it relies on you reading (and understanding) what the notification says. Then acting on it, if and as appropriate. Do not think that the whizzbang policy you had when you switched to say, Nationwide (possibly because your mate told you it is the dog’s bollocks) will always stay whizzbang, even if it ever was.

The same applies to conventional policies. They too, change. A good example would be the Post Office’s offering, which used to be highly recommended. They switched insurers. The new policy excluded, unusually perhaps, motorcycles with a capacity of greater than 1599 cc. Not a great concern if you ride say, an 1150 cc bike, but useless to me with my 1600 cc bike.

The ‘free’ policies are designed to cater for the run-of-the-mill Mr and Mrs Average and their 2.5 children. As a rule Mr and Mrs Average and their 2.5 children don’t ride or hire any motorcycles, scooters or mopeds. They do not care one jot about the exclusion or limitation, any more than I might care about rock climbing or morris dancing. YOU though might have very real need to care, when you are lying in a hospital bed, wondering who put that tube up your dick and….. more importantly….. who is now going to pay for it.

It’s very dull to read the words now but you’ll be reading them more than once when the chips are down. By then, it might well be too late. Trust me on that at least.

My *free* travel insurance with an HSBC Premier certainly account used to include bikes over 125cc if it was you transport for the holiday but not hires. I'll certainly be double checking before my next trip as I always do.
 
We have been with Staysure for a few years now.

Premiums actually went down this year.

They are good with pre existing conditions.
Another vote for Staysure...(and this is non-bike related cover, just personal / recreational travel and holidaying)...
At the end of March I got my 12 month coverage renewal notice from Staysure (approx. same as last year, for 'Worldwide' as I have a short trip to USA coming up), called to see what could be done.... Adjusted some coverage and excess figures, got a very reasonable additional cost for 'cruise' (going to do a long-desire 'trans-Atlantic crossing', the Queen Mary, Southampton New York)... Included pre-existing conditions (the usual: high blood pressure, plus bits and pieces).
Premium reduced from £450 to £360.
I thought that was a pretty good outcome.

Good luck with your search.
 
Sorted with Bikesure now. Although if i had crashed and died whilst in Europe i wouldnt be bothered what happened.:)
Although on a serious note its a good job i read this thread so thanks.
 
I'm with Staysure with my medical conditions declared (Low grade prostate cancer and brain tumour removal / craniotomy) and have an annual global policy including the US and bikes over 125CC just renewed at £392.30

Had to sort it out over the phone, and send in a few letters from the neuro unit and urology but all pretty straight forward in the end.
 


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