BMW Rally 3 Suit leaks like a sive!

AndrewD said:
:aidan = Thick as mince :eek
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Ok, thanks guys - I'll take all that slagging on the chin! But the next time I go out walking in the rain wearing my Sunday best, should I put my rain jacket on under my clothes?

To be honest I mistakenly believed those inner liners are purely to keep out the cold and are removeable in the warm weather as was the case with my last jacket. I find it hard to believe that the Rally 3 suit is relying on inner liners as a defense against wet rather than the outer material itself? So you are telling me BMW are happy enough to let the water go half way through the suit to the inner liner? Apologies, but I really just didn't think that would have been the best idea...
 
Irlanski said:
Ok, thanks guys - I'll take all that slagging on the chin!

I find it hard to believe that the Rally 3 suit is relying on inner liners as a defense against wet rather than the outer material itself? That surely can't be the case that their happy to let the water go half way through the suit to the inner liner?
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And... BMW are not the only ones.... it seems that keeping the rain off takes second place to looking good with these kinds of things.. (even my Hein Garricke suit is like this...)

I've never used the liners.. I bought a waterproof oversuit that I put on when it rains, or if I'm cold.

Al...
 
Irlanski said:
That surely can't be the case that their happy to let the water go half way through the suit to the inner liner?
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Totally agree... 'Waterproof Liners' what a daft idea :blast

You end up with saturated, cold gear... Fantastic! :rolleyes:

Stick a 1 piece oversuit on, you stay warm & dry & clean :clap

(Obviously hard off road riding may be different...)
 
Irlanski said:
Ok, thanks guys - I'll take all that slagging on the chin! But maybe the next time I go out walking in the rain wearing my Sunday best, should I put my rain jacket on under my clothes?

To be honest I mistakenly believed those inner liners are purely to keep out the cold and are removeable in the warm weather as was the case with my last jacket. I find it hard to believe that the Rally 3 suit is relying on inner liners as a defense against wet rather than the outer material itself? That surely can't be the case that their happy to let the water go half way through the suit to the inner liner?
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My Weise Nomad jacket is the same, but a very clever jacket (no it does not make tea) inner layer is a fleece not the usual foil grannies dog coat and is reversible to wear separately.

All makes sense as you want a jacket that is cool when not raining and has lots of panels sewn together than must also try to protect you from Superman impressions when you fall off!

Still almost as amusing as B4andits 1150 questions!
 
Personally I'd recommend one of the goretex shell suits. For the obvious reason that everything stays dry (and therefore much lighter) than the ones with the barrier inside the clothing.

I have a Streetguard suit and although was concerned at first it might be too hot for summer use, with the pit zippers and thinness of the suit it's actually quite cool in summer (whilst riding) and it's a little oversize to allow me to don my hillwalking cold weather gear in winter. I imagine the Rukka and HG goretex sheeled suits are the same.

I suppose the OP's naivity is down to the fact as he was not paying for the suit, he didn't do any research into it :nenau
 
Trippy said:
ps: Should this not be in the 1200 section.
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Sorry Trippy, I thought that this would have been be the proper place for the post given that this section is called "clothing and protective gear" and that it is a motorcycle suit that my question was about?
:aidan
 
FWIW I've just re-kitted myself out with BMW Clothing and this is what I ended up with.

Trouser - streetguard 3, absolutely brilliant, completely waterproof with or without lining but in the cold the lining keeps you nice and snuggly and doesn't roast the old chestnuts.

Jacket - the st3 has too high a collar for my liking and not enough pockets so I got a Trailguard jacket. This is only fully waterproof with the lining in but it's the new C-Change lining and it really does keep you cool in summer and warm in winter. I also sprayed the jacket outer layer with waterproofing stuff from Hein Gericke (can't remember the brand) and now the jacket is showerproof for a at least a 1 hr or so soaking without the lining and during really heavy rain, with the lining in, not much permeats through to the waterproof inner lining..:)
 
I think the Rallye 3 is made for hotter climates hence it's got to be cool in the summer but it's not waterproof without the liners in. It's either one or the other, a gore-tex waterproof jacket tends to be boiling hot above 25C, so get a Streetguard 3 for the winter and and Rallye 3 for the summer, job done!

Or....like me, an old Rev'it Off-track with 2 liners and a rain oversuit for heavy rain, use it all year round and save the money for more trips with the bike :thumb

My 2p.
 
Irlanski said:
Ok, thanks guys - I'll take all that slagging on the chin! But the next time I go out walking in the rain wearing my Sunday best, should I put my rain jacket on under my clothes?

To be honest I mistakenly believed those inner liners are purely to keep out the cold and are removeable in the warm weather as was the case with my last jacket. I find it hard to believe that the Rally 3 suit is relying on inner liners as a defense against wet rather than the outer material itself? So you are telling me BMW are happy enough to let the water go half way through the suit to the inner liner? Apologies, but I really just didn't think that would have been the best idea...
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I agree with you it's a crap idea - I don't have a 'twat' suit for 3 reasons (i) one looks like a twat, (ii) they are crap in the wet, (iii) they cost a fortune.

I prefer the Boulder Jacket, City Trousers - cos they are great in all temperatures and if it is wet I wear my Alpinestars El Nino over the top - simples.
 
Only in Ireland on a 1200

Sigh, I can never understand why anybody spends so much money buying kit without understanding what they've bought :homer

The reason that some kit has removable, waterproof (and sometimes thermal) linings is that each layer has benefits and down sides:
  • outer layer - good abrasion resistance and easy to clean, possibly with high viz built in. Not waterproof and vents for warm weather mean poor at keeping heat in
  • waterproof layer - good at being waterproof but poor abrasion resistance and breathable membrane compromised by road dirt
  • thermal layer - poor abrasion resistance, poor water resistance but good thermal properties so goes inside the waterproof and outer layer

These kinds of suit also need wickable and intermediate layers produced from man made fibres. A cotton tshirt will soak up sweat not wick it through the waterproof layer.

:aidan
 
Mutley said:
Sigh, I can never understand why anybody spends so much money buying kit without understanding what they've bought :homer
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Don't Sigh Mutley! You might see from my original post that I didn't buy it... it was bought for me.:augie

But appreciate the info... thanks
 
Irlanski said:
Don't Sigh Mutley! You might see from my original post that I didn't buy it... it was bought for me.:augie

But appreciate the info... thanks
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Just to jump on the band wagon (and get my post count a little higher ). What sort of “man friend” buys you a grand worth of bike kit??, and how and what !! do I have to do to get one ....Oh Sir” BMW Rally 3.... “suits you Sir Oh Sir. :aidan

Just bought a Rukka AlRoader, the Weather is never that good this side of Europe, so gona keep the Gortex linner in !!
 
Swisstony23 said:
Just to jump on the band wagon (and get my post count a little higher ). What sort of “man friend” buys you a grand worth of bike kit??
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Well, I had taken him for several motorcycle lessons beforehand and he stayed over with me each time. I did it because he is a good friend but I was shocked and embarrassed when he presented me with it! Refusing would have been impolite, i think. It wouldn't have been my choice neither as I'm seriously not into co-ordinated looks and branding etc. I'm the type of person that never even washes my bike.
 
Having.... err... outgrown my Hein Gericke off road suit, I found myself standing at a BMW dealer looking at the Rally 3... flashback to looking at the Rally 2 some years ago...

The same 3 things that were wrong with it then were wrong with it now... I hate the roundels.. I hate the goretex liner (never used my HG one once).. I hate the price.. (though I do like some of the quality 'features'...)

So I bought a Trailguard suit.
No liner, no roundels, (they even have the BMW Motoraad logo on velcro).. It has many of the 'features'.. and it was on special 15% off... :thumb

Al...
 
I'm considering buying a rally 3 suit. Can I get a simple response.......:thumb

In practice, day long soaking, Is the liner actually water proof? Yes or no. :blagblah

Ta.
 
My pillion rode a two weeker around east europe, rained like a bastard nearly every day - dry as a bone
She wore this:
Aldi two piece suit - brand new 50 quid. All black. Full CE armour inc back and safety stitching.
Cheap m'bike shop boots - waterproof - 35 quid
Helmet EBay - flip up with visor and integral screen - £35
Gloves, my spares

Sorted and she has worn all that for five years in horrendous conditions from Czech republic to spain, all over the shop. Never been uncomfortable once.

I wear Heine Gericke - never ever (and mean never) have been wet through once in 6 years wearing it - and it all still works fab.

The only BMW shit (sorry, I mean kit) I will buy are the Rallye 2 gloves - amazing things.


A lot of expensive shit is just that, expensive shit :)

FWIW
 
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