Brake caliper

VAL. H.

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Has anyone tried fitting the F650gs front brake caliper to the Paralever?

Also is it possible to get a smaller diameter master cilinder/lever setup? Smaller enabling a greater force of the fluid to the caliper??? Stops better with less effort?

Val.
 
Has anyone tried fitting the F650gs front brake caliper to the Paralever?

Also is it possible to get a smaller diameter master cilinder/lever setup? Smaller enabling a greater force of the fluid to the caliper??? Stops better with less effort?

Val.

You can get master cylinders with 12,13,14,15 and 16mm diameter pistons. Around £80 a shot though.
 
Val, the larger the Master cyl dia = more fluid moved for less lever movement, not the other way round:blast. EG standard 14mm with twin discs added goes right back to handlebars.
Using a 16 mm master cyl = lot less lever movement with highly efficient brakes :thumb2
 
You got that round the wrong way proff, the smaller the cylinder the more movement to get the same volume.


The conventional wisdom is that the ratio between the area of all the caliper cylinders to the M.C. should be somewhere between 25 and 35 to 1.

Very few BMWs even get to 25, so most benefit from either a smaller M.C. or a change of caliper.However if you have the 48mm Brembos it is difficult to find anything larger, even if you go to a six piston.

Before he retired my local guru had resleeved 10mm and 11mm cylinders, and changing from a 15mm to the 11 really livened up the twin ATEs on my R75.

The paralevers had a 13mm MC , so going to a 12mm wont be nearly as dramatic, but if you have to change anyway it is a free boost.

Some Guzzis have a 11mm M/C with two 48mm twin piston Brembos and they work OK, with no complaints of excessive movement so it shouldnt be a problem with only one.

BMW make different brake levers to, and on some the cam which pushes the piston is a bit longer - so you can fine tune the amount of lever movement this way too.

12 mm cylinders occasionally come up on German Ebay , but they fetch silly prices.
 
DOH'HHH is that not what >>>larger the Master cyl dia = more fluid moved for less lever/ piston movement means ????:confused:



I use syringes to fill my model aero engine fuel tanks, the 25mm dia one shifts more fuel per centimeter of travel than the 18 mm one :augie
 
For the same lever (pressure) input, a small bore master cylinder will transfer more pressure to a brake caliper than a large-diameter one. The small cylinder will need more stroke to move the same volume of fluid as the larger one. Thus to achieve good braking, the small cylinder may need more lever travel
 
Hmm! Thanks for your replies guys :thumb2
The way I see it is:

The smaller the bore the higher the pressure that can be applied. The bigger the bore the higher the volume that can be moved 'but at the expense of the pressure' (hence a stiletto heel sinks instantly in the grass and a balloon tyre rides easily over the top).

The complication comes when adding either a second caliper or a larger capacity caliper (holds more fluid than the original) or both.

This is where I think the big square Brembo caliper from the 100R and early 1100 models falls down. I think this caliper physically holds almost double the amount of fluid the original holds (this is in the caliper it's self, not including the brake line and master cilinder) as it is double sided and has four pistons. Hence my thoughts about the 650gs caliper as it is one sided, yet extremely efficient in comparison.

I'm thinking 'as Proff suggests' that because of the larger fluid capacity in the bigger caliper 'or when fitting a second disc' I'll theoretically need to fit a bigger master cylinder in order to move the greater volume of fluid into the caliper/s.
However the greater volume of fluid will inevitably lead to less pressure, leading in turn to spongy and by virtue, inefficient brakes.

So by my thinking, what is needed is a caliper that is designed much better than the square Brembo, that makes more officiant use of it's fluid capacity. Preferably one that fits the fork mountings too.

Val.
 
My '88 R80RT had been fitted with twin discs, but still had the original 13mm master cylinder.

I could get the lever back to the bar if I tried hard, so swapped to a 14mm master cylinder.

It needed a bit more effort, but I didn't run out of brakes during those "OOoooooo Shhhhhiiiiiiitttttt" moments. :D

(I had one of them when a woman driver, joining the dual carriageway I was on, decided she was going the wrong way and did a 'U' turn through a gap in the central reservation right in front of me. I managed to stop in time, just - but left snakey black lines on the road :eek:).


Bob.
 


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