Brake discs - reasonable rate of wear

Damian

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My bike is an 08 R1200GSA. I bought it new. My dealer has told me the front and rear brake discs and pads are near their wear limits (I have good reason to trust the word of this dealer). The pads are the originals - never been replaced. In effect, the discs have lasted only as long as the pads. The bike has done 180,000 kilometres. I use the bike only for touring and longish day rides, almost exclusively on bitumen.

BMW have told me this rate of disc wear in relation to pad wear is normal in my circumstances of high annual mileage. I have to expect to replace the discs when I replace the pads. The dealer has declined to comment.

I have very limited mechanical knowledge, but have assumed discs last a lot longer than pads. I would appreciate receiving comments on BMW's advice to me.
 
Is it April 1st? 112,500 miles on one set of pads? I suppose if just rode straight roads for long distances and used your boots to stop they might last that long. So did your brake pads outlast the final drive?
 
180,000 klicks does not sound unreasonable to me to be replacing discs and pads. Actually, that sounds pretty bloody good going :thumb2

Just out of interest, how many final drives have you got through in that time? ;)

Andres
 
at 180,000km the discs have done well, but not as spectacularly well as the pads.

if that was a typo (it was, wasn't it?), and the real mileage is 18,000km, it is very poor but conceivable for the fronts, more understandable for the rears, which don't seem to last so long.

measure the thickness of the discs yourself, or get someone else to give a second opinion.
 
Next time you buy some discs cross out the bmw wear limit and stamp your own 3mm wear limit on them.

Then just point out the wear limit stamp on them next time they say you need new discs, and you can do the same with the mot man. :thumb
 
180,000km on the original pads?

was it on a trailer or were you pushing it?

seriously - I reckon on 16,000miles for a set of pads and 40,000miles for a set of discs.
 
My God, you must be wealthy!

As I read it, you have a bike with 180,000 km on serviced from new by BMW dealer.
If so you have probably paid him over £5,000 in service bills so far!
Myke
 
My bike is an 08 R1200GSA. I bought it new. My dealer has told me the front and rear brake discs and pads are near their wear limits (I have good reason to trust the word of this dealer). The pads are the originals - never been replaced. In effect, the discs have lasted only as long as the pads. The bike has done 180,000 kilometres. I use the bike only for touring and longish day rides, almost exclusively on bitumen.

BMW have told me this rate of disc wear in relation to pad wear is normal in my circumstances of high annual mileage. I have to expect to replace the discs when I replace the pads. The dealer has declined to comment.

I have very limited mechanical knowledge, but have assumed discs last a lot longer than pads. I would appreciate receiving comments on BMW's advice to me.

at 180,000km the discs have done well, but not as spectacularly well as the pads.

if that was a typo (it was, wasn't it?), and the real mileage is 18,000km, it is very poor but conceivable for the fronts, more understandable for the rears, which don't seem to last so long.

measure the thickness of the discs yourself, or get someone else to give a second opinion.


2008, That's the non servo model isn't it? If your milage is correct, then I'm supprised your rear disc is still on the bike. It should be at least see through by now.

Mine is an 05 model with the servo ABS, it's covered 57'000 miles (91,730Km) my front pads are only half worn, but I'm on my second rear disc and the fourth or fith set of rear pads and almost time for it's third rear disc. For some unbeknown reason they eat rear discs for a passtime and each one will munch it's way through two or more sets of pads.

Whilst I'm reletively confident the front pads will do unnaturaly high milages, I'm supprised that your rear disc has not already been changed at least three times, along with around 7-8 pairs of pads.


Val.
 
Brake Discs - reasonable rate of wear

Hi, thanks to all of you for your comments.

In the spirit of information sharing, which I assume is the main purpose of this forum (or is it for witty comments?), I'll address some of the questions/issues you've raised.

Yes 180,000 kilometres. Those of you familiar with Australia will know it's large and mostly flat with long distances between cities, towns and places of interest. Not much need for braking, and the boxer engine does most of that too. I avoid riding in cities as much as possible (too dangerous and frustrating) and I've done most of the few hilly twisty roads on my previous bike. Besides, they generally carry too much traffic and are too heavily policed to be much fun. So it's the great outback for me. Until recently, I was on Warfarin, a blood thinner, and I've stayed mostly on bitumen to minimise the risk of a fall. All in all, pretty good riding circumstances for low wear and tear.

I've had absolutely no issues with the driveshaft. In fact, the only significant issue was failure of the fuel pump early on. Replaced under warranty within 24 hours and, touch wood, fine ever since. All other issues relatively minor. I got about 1000 hours of use from one tyre sensor (replaced under warranty) and about 2000 hours from the other. Pity you have to replace the whole unit and not just the battery.

I generally don't use the rear brake on its own. I prefer to rely on the linked proportional front/rear brake combo (ABS II?) - I figure it'll do a better job with the rear brake than I can. On a bike like this, I see the main use of the rear brake is for down hill riding on loose surfaces (with ABS & TC both off), and perhaps for washing off speed in overcooked corners. So that might explain the comparative low wear rate of that.

I'm no longer rich, but my dealer probably is now. But seriously, I'm retired, addicted to riding (after a 30 year break) and unfortunately getting towards the end of my riding career. Do it now!

Have I got the information I sought? Yes and no. Based on comments above and some asking around, I get the feeling that 2-3 sets of brake pads per disc is typical,. This confirmed my expectations. Why that has been different in my case, I still don't know. However, I'm beginning to wonder whether BMW are too conservative with their tolerances, for safety reasons only, of course.

By the way, the quote for genuine BMW front and rear discs and pads came to somewhat over Aus. $2000 (over 1200 UK Pounds?) plus labour. That's what really got my attention. I've decided to go for aftermarket for about 1/3rd of that.
 
By the way, the quote for genuine BMW front and rear discs and pads came to somewhat over Aus. $2000 (over 1200 UK Pounds?) plus labour. That's what really got my attention. I've decided to go for aftermarket for about 1/3rd of that.

They are taking the piss mate. You don't have to stick with BMW, new disc from ebay less than a ton with pads.
They are not hard to change.
 
That is good going, my last bike warped two sets of discs in under 10,000 miles!

It is one area where most manufacturers save a few quid and fit real cheap rubbish, but I do agree if it is wear (not warp) that killed them then a 1:1 ratio of discs to pads is poor - you sure there was not another set or two put in during the services?

As stated aftermarket discs and pads should be quite reasonable, on my last bike the OEM discs / pads for the front were about £600, I got some top quality gear (PFM) for about £350, but cheapo replacements were around for as little as £250.
 
They only thing to maybe beware of is the tendency for some bikes to warp their discs.

I won't go into my tale here (but a search will find the details) but my experience was warped OEM discs (x2) followed by cheap pattern discs (warped) followed by average pattern discs (EBC) warped.

I bit the bullet and fitted the later type OEM discs and (so far) they are ok. Main reason being that in the UK there is a 2 year warranty on them and all the other discs had warped in well under 2 years.

I'm not a heavy braker but, then again, I'm not riding in the big Australian outback.


Andres
 
I'd be quite happy to pay a premium for genuine brake discs but it strikes me that someone in Aus is taking the piss if they think they can get away with £1200 for the set :eek:

I'm astounded that the OP has got 112,000 miles from his original set of pads, mind you my original set are still going strong and looking good at 33,000 miles so
 


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