Brake fluid change - A con ??

Linds hmmmm!!! I now go to Balderstons now say no more!!, brake fluid should be done every two years.
Had a 6000 mile service done at Balderstons and they give you the option of having a brake service for £50, they strip and clean all calipers and re-grease and I certainly noticed the difference, although I keep my bike clean riding through last winter didn`t do the brakes any favours.

Had a new front tyre fitted last week and Balderstons noticed that steering bearings were notchy so they replaced under warranty with no quibbles.
Could I recommend going to Balderstons!
 
What concerns me a little is that the fluid discolours very quickly - the rear gets almost completely black while the front goes a dark honey colour.. What is it in the systen that is contaminating it so quickly? Mine needed changing after only 1800 miles!
 
con, get it changed elsewhere, u dont av to use bmw to keep warranty
 
What concerns me a little is that the fluid discolours very quickly - the rear gets almost completely black while the front goes a dark honey colour.. What is it in the systen that is contaminating it so quickly? Mine needed changing after only 1800 miles!

your still talking about the brake Fluid one would assume :D :beerjug:
 
u dont av to use bmw to keep warranty

Is this true ? :nenau does it have to be BMW approved :nenau

Reason I ask is I have BMW extended warranty and that only remains providing you keep your services, fluids, as they stipulate etc I thought it had to be the Main Dealer all in house paper trail - thats how they all keep and generate the business.

Or is it different? :nenau
 
Somewhere in the small print on the extended warranty I am sure it will say it has to be BMW serviced. The extended warranty is something you pay for and they will make sure you have to come back to them. I do not have such a thing as I do all my own work, unless it needs some fancy diagnostic doing but my mate has a 1200 gsa with extended warranty and he says it has to go to BMW. :nenau


Andy.
 
original warranty can go anywhere so long as BMW parts are used. Extended BMW warranty must be at a BMW dealer. Other warranties such as warranty direct can be any VAT registered workshop.
 
Hi Casper, you're local to me. Where do you get your steed serviced ?

Dave
Lind at Norwich! Must admit I've always found their prices always seem to compare pretty well with what others talk about on this site. Check to see if they made a mistake in their quote to you?
 
Somewhere in the small print on the extended warranty I am sure it will say it has to be BMW serviced. The extended warranty is something you pay for and they will make sure you have to come back to them. I do not have such a thing as I do all my own work, unless it needs some fancy diagnostic doing but my mate has a 1200 gsa with extended warranty and he says it has to go to BMW. :nenau


Andy.

Its the something fancy why I have it its the engine replacement 3 grand plus peice of mind (see recent thread) :thumb. 12s call it F/D peice of mind :thumb

the thrown in euro recovery is a fairly cheap bonus attached to it, either way its back to BMW.

But I'm sure its BMW service and stamped or its void :blast I thought it was the same with the new bike standard warranty :nenau
 
I've booked my F800GS into Lind to have it's 6,000 miles service. £110+VAT. No problem.

However, the guy tells me that they will need to see if the brake fluid is 'too old' and, if it is, drain and refill with new at a cost of £170+ VAT :eek:

He says they won't know til they look at my service book and the condition of the fluid ........

Is this legit' or a con ?

Should I be looking at an independant to service my bike and have done with BMW ?

Cheers, Dave
Yes it's a con. they claim that brake fluid is "hygroscopic" at least i think thats the correct word, and that it attracts moisture and as such requires changing every so often, However I would only really change brake fluid that had done a lot of miles 6000 is in my opinion NOT a lot of miles. Tell em to fcuk off, you dont want them changing your brake fluid. Stealers, cnuts every one of them!!!!
 
Yes it's a con. they claim that brake fluid is "hygroscopic" at least i think thats the correct word, and that it attracts moisture and as such requires changing every so often, However I would only really change brake fluid that had done a lot of miles 6000 is in my opinion NOT a lot of miles. Tell em to fcuk off, you dont want them changing your brake fluid. Stealers, cnuts every one of them!!!!

Itis NOT a con although the price many would agree is, big gulp, excessive.

Hygroscopy is real and if you read your definition of it again, which is correct BTW, you will realise that the fluid would would still need changing after a couple of years even if you did ZERO miles :rolleyes:

The water absorbed into the brake fluid, over time not miles, can overheat and then boil during heavy or constant braking, ie lots of downhill braking or very spirited riding . You will then suffer a very sudden loss in braking force , resulting in possible death if you are on 2 wheels.:eek

I'm not a scientist/physicist , never went to uni, so really couldn't say when you need to change it 1yr, 2yr, 3yrs, 4 yrs :nenau
I guess the relative humidity where you live would have a bearing but hey ho better to be safe than sorry.

:thumb
 
Itis NOT a con although the price many would agree is, big gulp, excessive.

Hygroscopy is real and if you read your definition of it again, which is correct BTW, you will realise that the fluid would would still need changing after a couple of years even if you did ZERO miles :rolleyes:

The water absorbed into the brake fluid, over time not miles, can overheat and then boil during heavy or constant braking, ie lots of downhill braking or very spirited riding . You will then suffer a very sudden loss in braking force , resulting in possible death if you are on 2 wheels.:eek

I'm not a scientist/physicist , never went to uni, so really couldn't say when you need to change it 1yr, 2yr, 3yrs, 4 yrs :nenau
I guess the relative humidity where you live would have a bearing but hey ho better to be safe than sorry.

:thumb

Absolutely spot on Mr Rushy.

If there is no after market warranty to protect do it yourself. EDIT. The following applies to bikes without ABS or servo systems. These will need extra stages and more knowledge.

At the most basic level you need a bottle of the correct fluid, read your owners manual (DOT 4 for 1150's), an old large coffee jar or similar not plastic, about 0.5 metre of clear neoprene tube (aquarium supplies), a few nuts that are tight fit on the tube and the correct single hex. spanner for the bleed nipples. You can buy these from car accessory shops or online. Get a good one that is an accurate fit.

Put about 25mm depth of fluid into the bottom of the jar, observing the wonderful pale colour of the pristine product.

Force the nuts onto one end of the tube and lower it into the fluid. The nuts will keep it on the the bottom of the jar. This will stop air being drawn back into the caliper.

Ensure that you can ease the bleed nipple open. Old ones that have not been shifted regularly will be seized and will sheer without a lot of force. DAMHIK. (THis is not an immediate disaster as the caliper will still be sealed and usable. You can even still bleed it by releasing the banjo but it is messy and fiddly.)

Place the other end of the tube on the nipple with the spanner already located.

For the front align the handlebars to get the reservoir as horizontal as possible. If you can lock them in place all the better.

Cover all painted surfaces close to the reservoir with plenty of paper or rag. The fluid attacks the paint. If it does splash on the paint as long as you notice and clean it off immediately it won't cause a problem. On 1150's if you let the fluid level drop too low it shoots a jet of fluid out of the master cylinder as you squeeze the lever. Again, DAMHIK:D

Open the reservoir and ensure that the fluid is topped up to the maximum mark.

Ease open the nipple and press the brake lever. Fluid will enter the tube from the nipple. (Observe the dirty brown colour caused by the water absoption and possible onset of corrosion. It is alright to feel smug at this point.) Bubbles of air will appear in the jar fluid.

Pump the brake slowly whilst ensuring there is always plent of fluid in the reservoir until the fluid in the tube is the new clean variety. Then holding the brake lever in the "on" position close the nipple. It only needs one finger on the spanner, a ladylike one will be adequate, a big tosser fist will break the nipple. In fact just remember you are dealing with a nipple, gentle is good.

Carefully remove tube from nipple. One caliper is done. Always do the furthest from the reservoir first, so the left front disk on a bike.

It takes less time to do than it has taken me to type using two thumbs and eight fingers.

Always ensure everything you use it spotlessly clean. Keep the jar complete with some of the fluid (and with the lid on) and the tube for the next time. Put the tube in a grip top poly bag to keep it clean.

Spend balance of £170 on a UKGSER weekend event which will be much more fun than giving it to a dealer.

P.S. Brake fluid isn't very nice stuff unless you are a brake system. You shouldn't drink it or use it as eye wash.
 
The Haynes F800 & F650 Twins manual states: "On ABS models, any work done on the brake system that involves bleeding the system afterwards requires the use of the BMW diagnostic tester to restore braking action."
 
I've booked my F800GS into Lind to have it's 6,000 miles service. £110+VAT. No problem.

However, the guy tells me that they will need to see if the brake fluid is 'too old' and, if it is, drain and refill with new at a cost of £170+ VAT :eek:

He says they won't know til they look at my service book and the condition of the fluid ........

Is this legit' or a con ?

Should I be looking at an independant to service my bike and have done with BMW ?

Cheers, Dave

My advice would be to ignore Lind and other BMW outlets and get your bike booked in with Adventure Bike Warehouse where Johno will give it a proper service and stamp the book. You'll get the job done properly and will pay a sensible price.

I change the brake fluid annually as I do a high mileage and the bike lives outside in the damp. For the cost of a bottle of DOT4, it's not worth worrying about and because I don't have ABS, it's an easy job:thumb
 
Itis NOT a con although the price many would agree is, big gulp, excessive.

Hygroscopy is real and if you read your definition of it again, which is correct BTW, you will realise that the fluid would would still need changing after a couple of years even if you did ZERO miles :rolleyes:

The water absorbed into the brake fluid, over time not miles, can overheat and then boil during heavy or constant braking, ie lots of downhill braking or very spirited riding . You will then suffer a very sudden loss in braking force , resulting in possible death if you are on 2 wheels.:eek

I'm not a scientist/physicist , never went to uni, so really couldn't say when you need to change it 1yr, 2yr, 3yrs, 4 yrs :nenau
I guess the relative humidity where you live would have a bearing but hey ho better to be safe than sorry.

:thumb

i don't think anyone's doubting the need or the methods - just the rip-off prices attempting to be charged.

its a 10 min job :blast
 
It's a con, one of those 'watching my back' things. Yes in theory brake fluid can absorb moisture from the air, but we're talking about a sealed braking system here.
Never in my young apprentice days on cars was changing brake fluid a service item.
My 1150 is ten years old (50,000 miles) and the brake fluid is the original, my brakes are superb, but I admit I'm not a 'heavy' user of my brakes under normal conditions.

Just my view, others will almost certainly disagree. (especially those with a degree in talking bollox).
 
Agreed: And well put!

It's a con, one of those 'watching my back' things. Yes in theory brake fluid can absorb moisture from the air, but we're talking about a sealed braking system here.
Never in my young apprentice days on cars was changing brake fluid a service item.
My 1150 is ten years old (50,000 miles) and the brake fluid is the original, my brakes are superb, but I admit I'm not a 'heavy' user of my brakes under normal conditions.

Just my view, others will almost certainly disagree. (especially those with a degree in talking bollox).

Now just sit back and wait for those with the qualifications as described above to "dangle the skeleton" at you!

Myke
 
It's a con, one of those 'watching my back' things. Yes in theory brake fluid can absorb moisture from the air, but we're talking about a sealed braking system here.
Never in my young apprentice days on cars was changing brake fluid a service item.
My 1150 is ten years old (50,000 miles) and the brake fluid is the original, my brakes are superb, but I admit I'm not a 'heavy' user of my brakes under normal conditions.

Just my view, others will almost certainly disagree. (especially those with a degree in talking bollox).

No we aren't. The brake fluid reservoir is vented to the atmosphere, as I understand it.

Link (see second paragraph)
 
Sorry, but:

No we aren't. The brake fluid reservoir is vented to the atmosphere, as I understand it.

Link (see second paragraph)
Bollocks. They is not. (on motorcycles). There is a flexible diaphragm in the lid to permit fluid level or rise & fall without contact with air. Otherwise fluid would run out when you drop the bike.

NUMBER 1!

Myke.
 


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