Burning smoke like an Apache

Lord_Faversham

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So I bought an 80K 1150GS the other week as a summer scratcher so I could go out on rides accompanying my lad. Bike has been ok but after a run out last week, when stopped and after being on its side stand for abut an hour it did the usual oilhead thing after sitting and blew a load of blue smoke on startup.My lad was worried but I just gave it the old "yeah don't worry, they all do that". We all rode home about an hour's distance without further issue and I never thought any more about it. Bike ran fine.

After a couple more uneventful short trips, the day before yesterday I went for a short ride, stopped for a bit, no dramas, drove another 5 miles to fill up with fuel and on startup after refilling, I got loads of blue smoke which didn't go away, accompanied by very lumpy running, stalling at junctions (unless I kept the revs up) and a general lack of smooth power for the 10miles it took to ride home. I was due to ride a 30 mile trip that evening but it put the mockers on that.

The previous owner had swapped out the LH Head (this is the actual bike) as someone had drilled through to the oilway on "repairing" a manifold stud on the previous head and to be fair, he looks to have done a half decent job.
I've since pulled the L/H head off as this was puffing blue smoke from what looked like the exhaust manifold when revved.
The refurbished head, valves and valve seals all look good (replaced by previous owner) but the plug was oiled up like no tomorrow.

If I'm still getting oil in the combustion chamber I'm leaning toward rings being the issue given that the old thing has 80K on the clock. It been a while since I owned an oilhead so deferring to those with much more experience than me.

Before I pull the cylinder does this sound like knackered piston rings?
 
Remove the oil drain plug on the air filter housing ( bottom l/h side at the rear of the air box) and see how much oil runs out ..

Also is the bike a twin spark ?
 
Remove the oil drain plug on the air filter housing ( bottom l/h side at the rear of the air box) and see how much oil runs out ..

Also is the bike a twin spark ?
Thanks Steppers. Its a single spark, currently running BKR7EKCs
 
Just had a shufty at the airbox drain plug - there was a little residual oil on the bung itself but nothing came out...
 
Have you done a compression check of both cylinders ?
Not yet - I haven't got the kit. Initial exploration has been limited to pulling the head off that was replaced recently and checking to see if there was anything obvious like a dropped valve but they all look very good. One side of the rockers seemed a little tight at TDC, and the previous owner didn't set the valve clearances simultaneously, but did them one by one which made me wonder if they are off.

After I'd cleaned up the mating surfaces as much as poss after pulling the head, there did appear to be a little residual oil seeping from around the piston. Given that I've already pulled the head, would it be worthwhile to simply pull the cylinder too and replace the rings as a matter of course do you think given that the engine has 80K on it from 1994?
 
OK so I've put the thing back together and whilst it runs kind of ok, (it ticks over and seems smooth enough) its still blowing loads of blue smoke like there's no tomorrow. I reset the valve clearances on the side I pulled and they were a little tight as the previous owner had replaced trhe head and set the clearances using just one feeler gauge. The oil level also seemed a little high so I've dropped a little bit out. The bike has been on the centre stand for the last 10 days and still is so there shouldn't be any issues with side stand pooling causing leak-by.

Next step is to check compression and see if a ring might have let go unless anyone else has any suggestions?
 
Not yet - I haven't got the kit. Initial exploration has been limited to pulling the head off that was replaced recently and checking to see if there was anything obvious like a dropped valve but they all look very good. One side of the rockers seemed a little tight at TDC, and the previous owner didn't set the valve clearances simultaneously, but did them one by one which made me wonder if they are off.

After I'd cleaned up the mating surfaces as much as poss after pulling the head, there did appear to be a little residual oil seeping from around the piston. Given that I've already pulled the head, would it be worthwhile to simply pull the cylinder too and replace the rings as a matter of course do you think given that the engine has 80K on it from 1994?
1994?
 
now you have it back together ...
leak down test
compression test .

having watched the video the head was changed ,
did you "stone off" the barrel , to get it flat and clean ?
 
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now you have it back together ...
leak down test
compression test .

having watched the video the head was changed ,
did you "stone off" the barrel , to get it flat and clean ?
Compression test is next on the list. I didn't touch the barrel other than to clean it meticulously as it was pretty good when the gasket came off. It had only been on a short while.

I'm suspecting that the rings are shot on one of the jugs but the compression test should give an indication. I'll report back as soon as I get a chance to get on it this coming week.
 
a leak down is better .
i'd be surprised at the rings .
i had 142k on my GS when the chain blades broke up.
it used oil when i got it at 33k , and used a lot less when it died at 142k.
 
So I've just run a compression test (albeit from cold which is not ideal but given that I might get complaints from the neighbours due to the impromptu smoke screen, discretion is the better part of GS maintenance....)
When I pulled the plugs (which were both installed brand new after I pulled the l/h head the other day) the r/h plug was black and oily and the l/h plug was black and sooty.

At least this test has given me some comparative data.
R/H cylinder 192 psi which seems over-good
L/H cylinder 162 psi which seems not so good comparatively :oops:

Having had the head off the l/h jug and inspecting the valves after the recent head rebuild, all looked to be good. Valve clearances on the L/H head are now also bob on as they were a little tight before.

My initial suspicions about a ring having dropped might still hold, unless you guys can suggest another cause?
 
A cylinder leakage test is needed, it will pinpoint the problem
 
Leakdown test kit ordered.....

Hopefully the old compressor in the workshop still works otherwise this cheapish shitter that was only supposed to last me a couple of months over the summer might turn out to be a keeper purely on the level of investment that is racking up!
 
when you had the head off , did you put brake cleaner behind the valves , to see if they were leaking ?
No I didn't. I had a good visual inspection of the head and valves which had a rebuild about a fortnight prior. I was expecting to see a bit of edge missing on one of the valves but they all looked good and had recently been lapped in.

Once I've done the leakdown test (hopefully today) I'll post the results but my hunch is still that a ring may have let go. Whatever the diagnosis suggests, when the head comes off again, I'll do a valve test then.
 


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