Bwlch y Groes; the stone with something written on it.

[LivNorway]

-What does it say?
-Why is there a cross there?

I tried to google some of the words, and I figured there was a person called Gerault Vaughan-Jones, born 1904.
-Is he buried at Bwlch y Groes? If so, why?

I know the road are the highest in Wales, and the area are beatiful - no doubt about it!
-But why the stone and the cross?

Bwlch = mountain, I beleive?
Groes = cross?
''The mountain cross / the cross on the mountain''?
But I guess they called the place Bwlch y Groes long before the cross got there?

Liv.

 

[LivNorway]

A beatiful place!

Liv.

 

[Taff]

Not very exciting I'm afraid, but it translates to:

"This cross was consecrated by Lord Esgob Bangor.
And set by Canon Geraint Vaughan Jones,
on the bishops Holy Easter pilgrimmage.
14th September 1989." ​

And I only had to look up the dictionary once. "Bwlch" means gate. "Groes" means cross, so Bwlch Y Groes would mean something like "Cross gate".

Cracking view by the way.

 

[Timpo]

Rough translation.

Liv,this is a rough translation.
If any welsh speaking GSers can edit it, please do.

Dedicate the cross of the Lord Bishop of Bangor.
It was placed here by Geriant Vaughan-Jones during the Bererindod Diocese holy festival Grog. 14th September 1989.

The word Grog, i am struggling with. I think it may be a festive gown or cloak made of heavy woollen material.

I hope this is close, if not please forgive me!
Timpo

 

[Timpo]

Well done Taff

Not very exciting I'm afraid, but it says:

"This cross was consecrated by Lord Esgob Bangor.
The stone was set by Canon Geraint Vaughan Jones,
on the bishops Holy Easter pilgrimmage.
14th September 1989." ​

Well done Taff.
What is the Grog wording about though?
Timpo.

 

[Taff]

Well done Taff. What is the Grog wording about though?

I'm pretty sure "Sul Y Groglydd" is Easter Sunday, so I think "Grog" is just an abbreviation of "Groglydd".

I'm not religious, so don't put your mortgage on it though.

 

[LivNorway]

Thank you T & T!

A pilegrim-thing.
Yes, not wery exhiting...
But the pilegrims sure know how to pick a nice place for the things they do!

Next time I ask something simular please tell me it's an old pirate or a monster who turned to stone because of a curse or something to make me shudder!
Or give me a story like the one about Beddgelert and the dog!

There are a lot of history and legends in Wales, and I guess Knut and I passed a lot of places with a special history.
I didn't hear the sound of the old Bala city when we was at Llanuwchllyn, I guess the sound of the old train was too loud.
But I agree the dog Gelert are buried at a beatiful place; Beddgelert!

Liv.

 

[Taff]

I'll bear the pirates in mind for you next time Liv.

Beddgelert is a beautiful place for sure, but the story goes that in the 13th Century, Llewellyn The Great (Prince of North Wales) was so overcome with grief and guilt at killing his own dog (a large soft Irish Wolfhound), that he buried Gelert in the most beautiful valley in his kingdom. Apparently Prince Llewellyn lived for another 25 years after the incident, but legend has it that he never smiled again.

I think I've got something in my eye.

 

[CBFer]

Bwlch means "pass" or "col". Bwlch y Groes is the Pass of the Cross.

 

[rocks]

Pass of the cross : Pilrgrims way

Bwlch y groess is otherwise known as Pass of the Cross, as it is the old pilgrimage route. I had some more infor on the pass, will see if I can dig it out for you. Its a lovel ride.. as per..
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54434

 

[rocks]

The Mabinogion

Liv if you like stories.. then try to get a copy of the Mabinogion..

http://www.webmesh.co.uk/Mabinogionhomepage.htm

Got some really good tales in it..

 

[Timolgra]

Bwlch y Groes

 

[LivNorway]

Thank you T,T,T, and R!

The more I learn about Wales, the more I want to go back.
The stories, legends, the language, the history, the natives, the stonehouses - and the fun roads!

I struggled to find a place in the internett to explain to me in a few words the history of Wales, and now I'm beginning to understand that is not possible.
Recently I read somewhere there was the same language in England and Wales many years ago, before they started to speak English in England.
And I know 100 years ago the kids at school was punished if they spoke Welsh.
I know you have Offa's Dyke.
And there was some troublemakers from this side of the pond...

The language are special, but when I learned a few keys like the w are a vowel, and f are often more like a v, then it helped a little.
At a pub in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerycwyrndrobwllllauntysiliogogogch I listened when a man was talking to his mobilephone, and he smiled when he saw the look on my face; I was really trying to understand one word, just one word, but it all was llwdrobcwcgogogllcgrdrobch or something simular to mee! (He knew I'm Norwegian before his phone rang.)

Thank you for telling me stuff and for giving me links and for posting pics - because of the pics here at ukgser Knut and I rode around the lakes Bala and Vyrnwy!
Diolch yn fawr!

Liv.