Caja Sahel ""Oro""

[Deleted account 220427002]

come on Phil you've asked the question... you've got feed back... what are you going to do?

 

[VAL. H.]

Hmm... Depends on the point of view and your practice/security levels really. Personally I'd not buy QD panniers myself, especially like Touratech's with those plastic hooks made out of chocolate - I'm pretty certain on a serious crash the pannier are one of the first bits that fly independently into horizon leaving your legs exposed to the ground and shocks to come, or there's even circa 1/10,000th chance the pannier will be hitting your own head @60mph just because it's loose.

Makes me really apriciate Civils/Verns/Bernd Teschs and other makers who have chosen to make "permanent" mounts rather than questionable QD-s, this is especially said after doing through a crash with them my own.

Talking about so called "Quick-Disconnect" panniers, IMHO, Vern Worldbeater panniers have a very neat "QD" system with metal discs, while there're NO plastic mount bits like on TouraTech's. Well OK, takes 2-3 minutes to take them off (TT ZEGAs will take maybe 30-60 seconds less time to release, but nothing notably less!) with the help from one hex key, but at the same time Verns can be called "permanent" mount panniers with rigid bomb proof mounts, there's no way it comes off - pannier will bend and absorb most of your crash energy by not falling off, while you can take the panniers off fairly quick too, if it's really needed. Makes the best security/practical compromise possible for me at least, IMHO speaking.

Another question is the durability of QD panniers in a long terms (vibrations, shocks etc), since the real QD panniers have to have more moving and fragile bits to offer you a real native QD option. This depends on your focus of biking of course - OK, if you travel on the SMOOOOOTH roads only, just short offroad runs, then you're OK with QD panniers. But if you come to like Estonia periphery roads filled with potholes, gravel, corrugations etc., then you'd rather go to robust "permanent" mounts to be sure you arrive to your destination still with 2 panniers attached to your bike. After 20,000+miles on such roads permanent mounts can make big difference.

Indeed, TouraTech's are probably some 5X better in strenght than the original BMW QD system, but still it doesn't compare to proper permanent mount systems in rigidity, security and bombproofness.

So it does depends how you want your panniers vs security and durability. Everything is a compromise.

Just my 2 cents about the argumentation QD vs "Permanent" mount panniers.

Margus

I'm with this man


Before buying the Caja's I had the Varios fitted and although they were easy to remove and refit, I hardly ever did.
In my search for replacements I came to the conclusion that there were only two makes of panniers that fulfilled my wishes 'close fit, robust and bullet proof'. Vern isn't yet making panniers for the 1200, so Civil's it was.

I only have one concern. That being their barn door affect when riding into the wind. I had been considering asking Civil to modify or make new ones with the front outer corners chamfered to aid air flow.

Looks like my thoughts have been heard

So Phil, When your ready mate give me a shout and we'll talk.



Val.



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[blobbs]

I think they look good, Civil. I have read everyone else's view on Quick release, and I admit I agree with them but what is your view, or do you not fit it because of price?

 

[the civil one]

Exhaust side of the New Pannier set

 

[Deleted account 220427002]

Hi boy i thought you listened to customer needs... stop posting pics of Trax copies and get on with a Quick Release System... preferably one that can be retro fitted

But apart from that.... are you going to Tipp?

 

[the celt]

Hi boy i thought you listened to customer needs... stop posting picks of Trax copies and get on with a Quick Release System... preferably one that can be retro fitted

But apart from that.... are you going to Tipp?

What he said
he if ya do make a quick release, i maybe tempted
to break into me Confirmation Money

 

[Blackal]

Exhaust side of the New Pannier set

Obviously a man of few words

What? No comments at all?

Al

 

[flash of the gap]

i,ll take a pair made from plastic with the QR system please thank you sor

 

[f800gs]

Obviously a man of few words

What? No comments at all?

Al

Obviously a politician.........

 

[Ribcracker]

I maybe looking for new luggage so I keep an eye on this developping situation.
I saw the need recently for quick release on this lugagge as another members bike wouldn't fit through his brothers garden gate.

 

[the civil one]

Caja Sahel Adventure Luggage

Picture shows 1200GS Complete set. Detailing the Exhaust cut out.

 

[rdover]

I've had Civil's non QD panniers on the bike for months and months and have thought about removing them twice, once for a service and the other for a track day that never happened.

My experience? The weatherproof seals on the lids are not perfectly fitted to the boxes and need re-seating occasionally (I'm too busy restoring my 1912 car to bother my arse with the lids) the unmatched locks (4 per set) are a right pain the bahookie and I am constantly amazed at just how much stuff I can cram in there (275 vaccines, several packs of juicy style drugs and a pack of sarnies).

Also they do a grand job of saving the bike when you drop it in a car park park in front of 20 Hardly Dawdlesome owners (and make it easier to lift as well).

I'm happy without the chamfers as it allows boxy stuff to be fitted nicely and the aerodynamics of the bike are shite anyway!

QD would be useful possibly but I'd give the Civil experience 95/100

 

[VAL. H.]

I've had Civil's non QD panniers on the bike for months and months and have thought about removing them twice, once for a service and the other for a track day that never happened.

My experience? The weatherproof seals on the lids are not perfectly fitted to the boxes and need re-seating occasionally (I'm too busy restoring my 1912 car to bother my arse with the lids) the unmatched locks (4 per set) are a right pain the bahookie and I am constantly amazed at just how much stuff I can cram in there (275 vaccines, several packs of juicy style drugs and a pack of sarnies).

Also they do a grand job of saving the bike when you drop it in a car park park in front of 20 Hardly Dawdlesome owners (and make it easier to lift as well).

I'm happy without the chamfers as it allows boxy stuff to be fitted nicely and the aerodynamics of the bike are shite anyway!

QD would be useful possibly but I'd give the Civil experience 95/100

I would have to say that I agree completely. With just three exceptions;

I haven't tried filling the boxes with loads of drugs 'But it sure does take a whole load of camping gear'.

I haven't dropped the bike since I fitted them back in May 'but hey I haven't been on my hols yet, so plenty of opportunity still to come'.

As for aerodynamics, I'd like the chamfers on the front at least, just to alleviate the considerable extra drag the flat fronts create. However I think they should be only about half of what is shown in the pics.






We bought a 650 with Jessie's on a few weeks ago. It's surprising just how similar the rails are.

Surly Phillip, if they can make a successful QD system, you could come up with something just as useful.

Val.