Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

MattW said:
Bollocks.

There should be no need to have to trick a modern motorcycle gearbox into changing smoothly. Pre-loading will just bugger the selector forks in the end - it's a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist and will ultimately shorten the life of the box.
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Strange, then , that so many people, and many professionals, recommend it. It's also the way to clutchless upshifitng, whis is much easier on both the gearbox and the clutch.

One example among many:

« http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIhycth8msU »

Or jollyroger's reply here:

« http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-14-forum/40565-secret-smooth-shifting-gears.html »

But have it your way. I will certainly not fight over this. I couldn't care less. It's not my bike.

I rest my case.
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
That is shocking, i'm appalled

I couldn't put up with that racket
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Earplugs will eradicate most of that noise. Post up the 1150 on a go pro and and it will whine like a good un (sound familiar?):D

Doesnt sound the sweetest but.....Pulling the clutch in and shifting down to first whilst freewheeling......thats gonna make a din! Agree also backing off too much with some of those gear changes.
 
Hammam said:
I couldn't care less. It's not my bike.
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And, because as most owners of new bikes trade them on after 10,000 miles or so, the results of abusing their 'under warranty' gearboxes probably don't matter to them either. It's not a race bike, it's a long distance tourer that should be good for 100k minimum. Preloading gearchanges will guarantee that it'll need a gearbox rebuild way before that.
 
SiRich said:
Earplugs will eradicate most of that noise. Post up the 1150 on a go pro and and it will whine like a good un (sound familiar?):D

Doesnt sound the sweetest but.....Pulling the clutch in and shifting down to first whilst freewheeling......thats gonna make a din! Agree also backing off too much with some of those gear changes.
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Whatever:rolleyes:

Who mentioed any other bike than the bike in the vid:nenau:confused: ...... that clatter ain't good, but as your obviously a riding god (by your comments and criticisms of Wyreflyer's riding style & competence), if you rode his bike, it would be perfect:blast
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
Whatever:rolleyes:

Who mentioed any other bike than the bike in the vid:nenau:confused: ...... that clatter ain't good, but as your obviously a riding god (by your comments and criticisms of Wyreflyer's riding style & competence), if you rode his bike, it would be perfect:blast
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You like to poke a stick Johnny (and i am not saying this was ), a case of giving it but not being able to take some back.:comfort

A post seems to have been deleted from this thread. From what i can see nothing wrong with wyreflyers riding, and they were just my own observations.
 
Hammam said:
This seems to me like a rider problem. Don' take offense, but I think your shifting technique is wrong:

1) Way too much cutting of the gas. A few rpms will do, not 2000.
2) Way too much clutch in. Only a tiny pull in wit the tip of your fingers (and sometimes none at all once you get the hang of it) will do.
3) No preload up on the gear lever. Preload the gear lever up with your foot.
4) The whole process takes too long.

In other words: preload the gear lever up with your foot, cut the gas by only a tiny amount while while at the same time slightly pulling the clutch lever in with the tip of your finger AND augmenting pressure up on the gear lever, but only slightly. The preload should almost do the trick on its own. And make it quick.

To downshift, use the same technique, but in reverse: preload the shift lever down, give it a bit MORE gas while pulling the clutch lever in slightly. It should go down the gearbox smoothly.

Try it. I'm pretty confident you will not clonk anymore, Or, at least, not that much. I know I don't.
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I think you're a fucking idiot.

No offence.
 
i never knew there was so many ways to change gear.......for the last 30 years ive been just pulling the clutch in and moving my foot up or down..never a 2nd thought..mustv'e just been lucky to get away with it for so long...........seems obvious something is not right....even the clunk into 1st dosent sound like a "normal" clunk into 1st...which happens on lots of bikes.......
 
Wyreflyer - That video is a good reference - mines exactly like that. Going into dealers on Tuesday morning for the mod to be done on it. I am annoyed by it more than anything but the bike otherwise is just fantastic.

Regarding other peoples expert advice on how to change gear - apart from it being complete bollocks and con-descending, I just cant believe what im reading!!!

@Hammam - Pre loading makes zero difference to the clunks on this bike. Its just crap. End of.

FFS. WTF WTF WTF.
 
I 'd like to see the bike in the Video ridden by some one who knows how to ride. Notice no engine rev match on the gear changes suggest very poor rider ability to me. The up change was a little harder to detect method. I do think there are some genuine problems out there but the video shows more about poor skills than bad gear box.
 
Had the modification done and it has transformed the box. Also found that the second baffle in the Remus had become detached and blocked the exhaust flap - sticking it open. Many thanks to Pidcocks!
 
I've just watched the trainers video....... Slightly worried he thinks one shaft of the gearbox is connected to the "engine" (I assume he means the crank), and the other shaft to the clutch.

When some one comes out with something so fundamentally wrong at his level, I kind of switch off from the rest.

Preloading the selector ....... Big No No in my book. All you need are, the right revs to match the road speed especially when you release the clutch and a good positive action on the selector.

We're not on race bikes!!

As for Wyreflyer, you do seem to have issues. Some with your bike but I have to say, your gear changing is less than slick!!! Sorry.
 
how skilled do you have to be to change gear

from the extreme of a totally non mechanically sympathetic stomper to an anal changer who changes exactly at the optimum...give or take 2 or 3 rpm's.....90% of riders will just pull the clutch in and move their foot up or down and thats it...dosent need any more skill, thought or technique....thats what clutches/gearboxes do....even alowing for different make/model techniques....that gearbox just sounds bad fundamentally, even after taking into account all the variables
 
Wal2 said:
how skilled do you have to be to change gear

from the extreme of a totally non mechanically sympathetic stomper to an anal changer who changes exactly at the optimum...give or take 2 or 3 rpm's.....90% of riders will just pull the clutch in and move their foot up or down and thats it...dosent need any more skill, thought or technique....thats what clutches/gearboxes do....even alowing for different make/model techniques....that gearbox just sounds bad fundamentally, even after taking into account all the variables
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You should not really need that much skill but it helps if, you have tiny bit!!!!
 
Short shifting in the main and the changes do seem to be rather slow. In saying that it don't sound too good.
I'd be interested in seeing how it engages gears at somewhere over 6000rpm , is it any smoother?
 
So....the "clonking" noises are caused by the rider then! Ah! I must have been imagining the other 15+ bikes I've owned over the years that were fine, plus the multitude of other bikes I ride at work, which although clunk, are nothing like this GS.

The fact is, there is an issue. I have been to 2 different BMW dealers and both confirm this, and BMW are aware and if you complain you get a modification done - there is an actual system set up to deal with this clutch problem.

I have been the first to come on here and say "whats all the fuss about - my bike clunks like other BMW's ive owned" but - its now got stupidly worse. Neutral is impossible to find (it used to be no problem at all!!) Now its horrendous.
Please play the video again - close your eyes and turn up the volume and listen to the damn thing clunk!!!

I STILL LOVE MY BIKE THOUGH!!!!!!
 
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