Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

Bring it on!! Somebody lend me a go pro .... !!!!!
 
Clip did remind me of car gear changes at times, wyreflyer did post something explaining something to the effect the slow changes had been deliberate, although a mod has since deleted the post for reasons unexplained.

It was a duff box on the wc i tried, crunching gears at high revs on the change up when giving it the beans, generally just not 'right'. wouldnt be enough to put me off the bike though, twas great fun.
 
Wapping said:
Ooh, this is going to be good....

Chair pulled up, popcorn popped....
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Enough, enough, enough....

The film clip offered up as evidence is indeed appalling.

An appalling demonstration of how to change gear on any motorcycle.

Watch the rev counter, lengthy (slow) up changes at about 4000 RPM, when the poor bloody engine is struggling to generate any forward motion at all. In he pulls the clutch, the rev's inevitably fall to just about tick over. Of course the gears struggle to mesh and bang on engagement.

Then slow down changes at zero rev's, the bike is probably free wheeling with the clutch pulled in, followed by the inevitable crunch.

Put some damned rev's into the thing. BMW have given you a Boxer engine that will rev. Look at where the red line is.... Start heading towards it. The thing will not break.

Help the gearbox to match its current zero engine speed (revs) with your (heavy) back wheel and propshaft's speed.... By blipping the throttle through the down shift. Your back wheel is going faster than your gearbox and quite possibly, brain.....

At the junction, just like at roundabouts, assuming there is no stop line to obey, just prepare to slow but LOOK to go.... You end up in first, having gone to a lot of trouble to smash it in.
 
Giles said:
Look, I'm a bit pished, I've had two large gins, haven't logged on for days (weeks?) and can't be arsed to read all the replies ...

But ...

Why aren't you matching your down changes?? Why is there no throttle on your down change - whether it's constant or a blip? ... you're just shutting it, pulling in the clutch (revs drop) and then letting out the clutch again .. No wonder it feckin' clonks! There's no deft balancing of gas and revs at all :rob

Why are you down changing coming to T where you'll then select first?? That's out the system?? You're taking a gear completely unnecessarily and not using it other than to slow down, which is what yer brakes are for... Ride up to the T, ... brake ... click click ... drive away. Only take a gear if you're going to actually use it (which I accept also means tightening the bike up, but that's different to just slowing down on the gear box ... :rob)

Going up the gear box, I don't use that much clutch. I preload my gear lever with my foot, take up the tension, then a tiny dip of the clutch against the pressure of my foot and ... snick ... it's in gear in the blink of an eye.

Sorry ... appalling use of throttle, clutch and gears ....

Hic ....
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Im with you on this one. Not a good example of how to ride a bike, hopefully someone will be able to post a video on how to ride/ change gear. You cant ride a bike like you drive a car. I would assume any bike ridden in this way would give the same result.

Terry
 
Chaps .. again... I think he did this to demo the sound to you. People havent just imagined these clunks crunches and bangs have they ? There are plenty of experienced bikers on here who have test ridden the bike and or bought the bike who havent altered their riding style who suddenly have a horrendous gear change once the first service has been done !!!
 
IJGser said:
Hold on......back up...... You always pull the clutch in to change gear?

How the fuck can I mess with my SatNav and change gear now I've learned this?

And for the record I was riding bikes whilst In my mothers uterus.
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well....i was riding when i was a twinkle in my fathers eye :rob
 
I find myself agreeing with this........

Giles said:
Look, I'm a bit pished, I've had two large gins, haven't logged on for days (weeks?) and can't be arsed to read all the replies ...

But ...

Why aren't you matching your down changes?? Why is there no throttle on your down change - whether it's constant or a blip? ... you're just shutting it, pulling in the clutch (revs drop) and then letting out the clutch again .. No wonder it feckin' clonks! There's no deft balancing of gas and revs at all :rob

Why are you down changing coming to T where you'll then select first?? That's out the system?? You're taking a gear completely unnecessarily and not using it other than to slow down, which is what yer brakes are for... Ride up to the T, ... brake ... click click ... drive away. Only take a gear if you're going to actually use it (which I accept also means tightening the bike up, but that's different to just slowing down on the gear box ... :rob)

Going up the gear box, I don't use that much clutch. I preload my gear lever with my foot, take up the tension, then a tiny dip of the clutch against the pressure of my foot and ... snick ... it's in gear in the blink of an eye.

Sorry ... appalling use of throttle, clutch and gears ....

Hic ....
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And this.........

Paul G (BHT) said:
My neighbour rides just like this, makes me cringe every time I hear him coming down the road.... some folks have no mechanical appreciation these days.
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And this.......

Wapping said:
Enough, enough, enough....

The film clip offered up as evidence is indeed appalling.

An appalling demonstration of how to change gear on any motorcycle.

Watch the rev counter, lengthy (slow) up changes at about 4000 RPM, when the poor bloody engine is struggling to generate any forward motion at all. In he pulls the clutch, the rev's inevitably fall to just about tick over. Of course the gears struggle to mesh and bang on engagement.

Then slow down changes at zero rev's, the bike is probably free wheeling with the clutch pulled in, followed by the inevitable crunch.

Put some damned rev's into the thing. BMW have given you a Boxer engine that will rev. Look at where the red line is.... Start heading towards it. The thing will not break.

Help the gearbox to match its current zero engine speed (revs) with your (heavy) back wheel and propshaft's speed.... By blipping the throttle through the down shift. Your back wheel is going faster than your gearbox and quite possibly, brain.....

At the junction, just like at roundabouts, assuming there is no stop line to obey, just prepare to slow but LOOK to go.... You end up in first, having gone to a lot of trouble to smash it in.
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That is all.
 
Watched the video. Then popped out on mine. I too can make those dreadful noises from the gearbox.

And then when I change gear normally it's fine. Learn to change gear ffs.
 
So all these people who've ridden bikes all their adult lives have suddenly forgotten how to ride?

I'm in awe - obviously I'm not worthy :rolleyes:
 
Some strange bods on here who obviously cant or cant be arsed to read.
Theres so many pages on the net about this issue it cant just be the odd person who has forgotten how to change gear!...
Anyway... nearly at a 1000 posts. Epic.
 
Are respondents saying that....

In order to demonstrate a really noisy, crunchy, bangy (call it what you will) hard to engage gearbox, a bod has shot a video clip in which he deliberately changes gear badly, unsmoothly, unsympathetically (chose which adjective you like) in order to create the very noises, crunches and bangs that some (not all) 1200 GS WC's definitely suffer from.

Great Scott! Such selflessness is the very stuff of Tosserdom.

Maybe he'll go the extra mile and shoot a sequel (Bangs in my box II) in which he changes gear normally, properly and with sympathy for the mechanical process but the noises, crunches and bangs remain. Let's hope so as it will go viral, the scandal ripping millions off BMW's balance sheet, ruining their share price and tarnishing the marque forever.

This in turn will feed a conspiracy theory that the videos were either a fake or that they were created by Honda to deflect the public's (and bikers, who are a breed apart) attention away from their awful sales figures.

In turn, a second (or is it third, it's getting difficult to count) conspiracy theory will emerge that the videos were created by BMW's 'Dark department' (all blood sucking multi-nationals have them) to successfully deflect attention away from the lack of a decent hugger on their flagship, premium priced model, resulting in the wetting of trousers. The timing of this deflectionary tactic was seen as vital with the onset of autumn 2013.

More popcorn, waitress; this thread has some way to go.
 
This is great :thumby:

It seems that many of the unfortunates who've shelled out their hard earned on a WC are in some sort of denial. It's astonishing that so many riders have suddenly forgotten how to change gear but if that makes these people feel better then good for you.

Admittedly, it's easy for those who just want to have a dig, to poke fun at the previous video but in the end, there should be no need for the buyer of a modern bike to have to learn some sort of Jedi techniques in order to change gear. All the long term reviews in bike mags highlight the crap gearchange on the WC - I'd assume that the reviewers in these magazines know enough to be able to change gear?...

But in the end, I don't really mind - I'll wait till the GSA WC comes out and snap up a nice twincam from the legions who'll vomit money at their local dealership :thumb
 
MattW said:
All the long term reviews in bike mags highlight the crap gearchange on the WC - I'd assume that the reviewers in these magazines know enough to be able to change gear?...
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That falls at the first, I'm afraid.

It has long been known that the magazines are controlled by their advertising departmental revenue; every regular well informed correspondent on UKGSer tells us that. Clearly the Bavarians have not been buying the column inches, so the rose tinted glasses are put away and the knives come out.

Hinckley, not Munich, now calls the shots in Peterborough.



PS The magazines only ever receive especially prepared vehicles, sometimes with 'special' bits and stuff. Clearly something has gone wrong. Giles and Engineer have obviously received the two bikes earmarked for Bike and MCN. Heads will roll, you mark my words.
 
...if someone posted a vid on here with normal gear changes, people would say that was find some fault too !
Wapping... im not going to justify myself to any people on here who havent simply experiened the issue or to keyboard heros just trying to wind others up, I will be getting the warranty work done on the bike.
But having owned several bmw's amongst others I have the knowledge, and and experience to say that there is an issue with my machine. Now it is honestly a fight to find Neutral hot or cold, rolling or at a standstill. It didnt used to be, it was fine! Combined with the grinding it makes on 90% of changes its just not like any gearbox / clutch I have used. Are people saying that its normal to be grinding each gear into the next ? It never happened on my gsxr, fazer, r1000s, k1200s etc or my 1200gs (58plate) which had an amazing gear change.
Im quite embarrassed as I was one on here also saying in he beginning to just ride it !!! I just dont get why mines got gradually worse....
 
:eek::eek::eek:

I can make my 1150 do this, and the one before it and the rt and the R100GS, maybe bm have never made a suzuki gearbox.......or maybe it is a trait of a thumping big flat twin (especially one that revs and drops revs quickly because of the light flywheel)?

My R80gs had the sweetest of all the bmw gearboxes I've ever ridden.

Technique is a big factor I think, but it may also be in the nature of the bike. Bm's were always about riding the torque and not stirring the gearbox constantly. Could it be that the new bike has targetted those more used to sportsbikes and therefore they are looking for a similar experience, but in an upright seating position?

Alternatively, bm. May have produced the ultimate riding trainer. Make a gearbox so bad that he rider doesn't want to change gear, making them choose a more bm style of riding (5th gear at anything over 30mph) :D

The Nazis are alive and well, and they now make gearboxes, ve have vays ov making you ride properly:augie:augie:augie
 
Titto said:
.... im not going to justify myself to any people on here ....
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Then you proceeded to do so through the rest of your post; but never mind.

Nobody doubts for one second that you and some other owners (a few or lots, it's impossible to tell) have a real problem with the gearbox / gear shifting. Nobody doubts that you and they are very disappointed, nhappy and / or mystified as to why the problem exists on a brand new and expensive motorcycle. Nobody doubts that dealers have been altering activation rods, draining oil and carrying out all sorts of other remedial work in an attempt to address the problems encountered. Nobody doubts that some owners have had their bike exchanged, so bad was the problem. Nobody doubts that some owners are reporting back that the remedial work undertaken by the dealers either worked or didn't. The list of what nobody doubts can go on and on.

What people are questioning is the value of posting video 'evidence' of the clacking and banging, when the bike in question was being ridden so poorly. Giles and others have voiced their opinion as to why, based on the video 'evidence', the fellow was suffering the problems and suggested a change of riding style as a possible cure to at least a part of the problem. Others meanwhile have suggested that the bike was ridden deliberately in that way, in order to create the noises heard, suggesting that the fellow does not ride like that normally but still suffered from clocks and bangs. Another fellow has talked about moderators apparently deleting a post. In short as many possible theories, opinions, factual or apocryphal stories as there are hairs on a Yeti.

It is clear that the WC's arrival was greeted in some quarters as the second coming. The excitement of lost sleeps before D-Day built for weeks, as did the subsequent postings of unrestrained joy on purchase, often backed by pictures or requests for pictures. There are clearly a lot of very happy WC owners out there.

Mixed into this unholy mess there are now threads starting where vanilla WC owners are wishing that they hadn't rushed into buying the bike (possibly based on the hype they had read in the very magazines that are now damming the vehicle) as they have seen pictures of the GSA variant and prefer it. It is to be assumed that they are all very happy with the performance of their vanilla variant, right up to the moment that they have seen a picture of something 'better'. It's hard to imagine ( though I'll have a go) that these owners have been so disappointed with their WC that they are prepared to take a significant trade-in loss, just to get what is in effect the same engine in different clothes. That really would be the triumph of hope over experience.

In parallel you also have the teeth sucking sages who have opined that they would never ever buy a first generation bike: too expensive, too much risk of teething errors, too rushed out, too hyped. You name it, they have their reasons. You also get those that believe that the last truly great variant of the GS is the one they own, anything subsequent being useless, ridden by idiots with too much money, beneath even passing contempt. Inevitably, they will use news of crunching and banging as clear evidence that all their teeth sucking was right.

Now cheer up.
 
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