I agree with the above, i too paid in full but if i had opted to have it on pcp i would have been better off come rejection time.
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I agree with the above, i too paid in full but if i had opted to have it on pcp i would have been better off come rejection time.
Why do some of the 1150 luddites spend so much time in the watercooled section? You'd think they would be helping out in the 1150 section given the issues that are reported over there.
Because they are rather sad.
BBB61
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Except its the same people who knocked the hexhead back in 2004 who are now knocking the wasserboxer, not the hexhead owners.
Tbh it would be boring if we all thought the same i welcome the piss take life's to short to get upset by it all theres nowt wrong with diversity however i notice from other threads not on the wc section, some bods take the piss take to another level and it gets messy but thats not the case in this section.
Lets not kid ourselves BMW have taken 2 steps back building the wc bike, so if you feel strongly regarding the wc can i ask you this .
Come end of warranty would you own the WC bike out of warranty ! ! (as per thousands of 1150 and TC owners do)
Lets not kid ourselves BMW have taken 2 steps back building the wc bike, so if you feel strongly regarding the wc can i ask you this .
Come end of warranty would you own the WC bike out of warranty ! ! (as per thousands of 1150 and TC owners do)
I most certainly would not own an 1150 out of warranty - as a previous poster pointed out, thee are plenty of issues over there.
streaky
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I think you need to contact a good solicitor my friend ,Thats just ridiculous
ATG
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Perhaps I’m opening a can of worms, but I would like to state my opinion... In fact, I do believe that if the people that have been experiencing problems with gearshifting the 1200 GSW read this topic they may find a way of adapting both the bike and themselves to a very smoth gearbox and to realy a great bike, certainly the very Best GS ever !
Present manufacturing techniques allow for very precise manufacturing. Nowadays, with computer controlled machinery, manufactured parts with 100th of a milimeter precison are not only cheap to manufacture but also even easier to attain and consitently repeat along a production run. I find it difficult to accept any significant differences from one bike to the next. Certainly, differences among riders are much, much greater.
I am presently on my second GSW; the first a 2013, 2012 built model and presently, a 2013 built, 2014 model. The first was traded in with some 13.500 Km and the second, which I presently own has close to 13.000 Km on its clock. The reason I traded in was due to na excellent deal offered by my dealer. The present bike is my 5th GS and I have ridden some 200.000Km, mostly troblefree, on on these five bikes.
Oveall I find the present bike a bit better than the prior GSW, a bit more refined if you will. However, differences are very small if they exista t all. Perhaps it would be fair to consider that not only the bike might be a bit different but I, the rider, have gained more experience with the GSWs; afterall, I’ve ridden another 13.000 Km or so since the first GSW. Although 13.000 Km is not much it doubled my experience with them.
Since the first GSW I found that exchanging the original gear lever for Wunderlich’s model allowed not only for a much greater range of adjustments but, most importantly, allowed for a shorter lenght gear lever. The present GSW is my 5th GS and I always found the original gear lever to be too long. Please consider that I’ve no small feet as I wear size 11 (american size).
On my bike’s Wunderlich’s gear lever I’ve drilled an additional adjustment hole (between the middle and last one) in order to permit a very short lever adjustment with a similar throw as the original BMW setup.
Careful height setup also helped quite a bit. Height setup is very personal and one should adjust it to one’s liking. It is a necessary to have patience as the boots tip height also influences the perfect height adjustment. I believe I’ve adjusted its height more than 10 times untill I found the position I liked best.
As important as the gear lever exchange and adjustment is the gear change technick. I find that the clutch should NOT be pulled too much, just a little. In fact, the less one pulls the clutch lever in, the smother wil be the gear change. First gear “cluncks” are always there but ALL other gear shifts are smooth and quiet.
In short, adjust your gear lever to you, Exchange if you can and most important, learn the Best way to shift gears. I AM sure you Will be very happy with the results.
Good luck !
Andre
Present manufacturing techniques allow for very precise manufacturing. Nowadays, with computer controlled machinery, manufactured parts with 100th of a milimeter precison are not only cheap to manufacture but also even easier to attain and consitently repeat along a production run. I find it difficult to accept any significant differences from one bike to the next. Certainly, differences among riders are much, much greater.
I am presently on my second GSW; the first a 2013, 2012 built model and presently, a 2013 built, 2014 model. The first was traded in with some 13.500 Km and the second, which I presently own has close to 13.000 Km on its clock. The reason I traded in was due to na excellent deal offered by my dealer. The present bike is my 5th GS and I have ridden some 200.000Km, mostly troblefree, on on these five bikes.
Oveall I find the present bike a bit better than the prior GSW, a bit more refined if you will. However, differences are very small if they exista t all. Perhaps it would be fair to consider that not only the bike might be a bit different but I, the rider, have gained more experience with the GSWs; afterall, I’ve ridden another 13.000 Km or so since the first GSW. Although 13.000 Km is not much it doubled my experience with them.
Since the first GSW I found that exchanging the original gear lever for Wunderlich’s model allowed not only for a much greater range of adjustments but, most importantly, allowed for a shorter lenght gear lever. The present GSW is my 5th GS and I always found the original gear lever to be too long. Please consider that I’ve no small feet as I wear size 11 (american size).
On my bike’s Wunderlich’s gear lever I’ve drilled an additional adjustment hole (between the middle and last one) in order to permit a very short lever adjustment with a similar throw as the original BMW setup.
Careful height setup also helped quite a bit. Height setup is very personal and one should adjust it to one’s liking. It is a necessary to have patience as the boots tip height also influences the perfect height adjustment. I believe I’ve adjusted its height more than 10 times untill I found the position I liked best.
As important as the gear lever exchange and adjustment is the gear change technick. I find that the clutch should NOT be pulled too much, just a little. In fact, the less one pulls the clutch lever in, the smother wil be the gear change. First gear “cluncks” are always there but ALL other gear shifts are smooth and quiet.
In short, adjust your gear lever to you, Exchange if you can and most important, learn the Best way to shift gears. I AM sure you Will be very happy with the results.
Good luck !
Andre
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Thanks Andre
That has been my experience as well - just a slight dip of the clutch, and pre-load the lever.
That has been my experience as well - just a slight dip of the clutch, and pre-load the lever.
roamer
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That's me as well, it is a different more robust more car like design without the benefit of synchro cone clutches on the sliding sleeves that don't wear well in engine oil,,
the helical gears can't slide like in the majority of other bikes, so the light weight engagement sleeve doesn't carry the same inertia and feels less positive and raw with a shorter throw,,
requiring pre load to push it into engagement early, which I did on previous bmw s, and the quick shifter achieves,
I don't discredit the bad ones as genuine, I have had my share of issues,,
the fact is it's a very different design which responds to a certain technique,,for the majority it gets better because we adapt,
Carbon steel doesn't wear In it wears out and gets noisy,
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I don't think a lot of people get the issue though. I ride 4 different boxers regularly. All are TC s. All have ok gearboxes on them.
I dontbhave to do anything magical to change gear.
My 2013 gs was shite for gearchange.
My 2014 one is not. It's brilliant.
I haven't changed or altered anything In respect of my gearchange technique.
The fact is, there are a minority of bikes out there with very bad gearboxes / clutch issues. as mentioned on here on this long long thread.
I dontbhave to do anything magical to change gear.
My 2013 gs was shite for gearchange.
My 2014 one is not. It's brilliant.
I haven't changed or altered anything In respect of my gearchange technique.
The fact is, there are a minority of bikes out there with very bad gearboxes / clutch issues. as mentioned on here on this long long thread.
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Took my 14 plate GS into dealer today with gearbox issues (graunching on changes at very high revs).
Went back this afternoon and they confirmed the gearchange was to quote their words 'bad', and now need the bike for a few days to strip it down. The guy said they had had a fair few in with gearbox issues.
those claiming it is change 'technique' , sorry but its not always that straightforward.
Went back this afternoon and they confirmed the gearchange was to quote their words 'bad', and now need the bike for a few days to strip it down. The guy said they had had a fair few in with gearbox issues.
those claiming it is change 'technique' , sorry but its not always that straightforward.
Maybe some have been assembled with incorrect clutch plate amounts or order of assembly ;-)
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Think you're onto something - They did suggest sometimes just re assembling the plates can sort gear change issues, some have had a new pushrod, some something to do with final drive adjustment. Not a one size fits all solution, but clutch plates was the first thing the dealer mentioned and they claim to have had plenty of success in fixing by doing so.
Considering more than one bike has had it's clutch explode and the cause found to be missing or incorrect order of plates I think it is very likely.
There have also been incidences of clutches working loose and machining the riveted cam chain pins off until they fall apart and trash the valve train and pistons (incorrect assembly / thread lock).
All in all, WC clutches seem to be an excellent example of design and engineering. BMW must be so happy with how it's all worked out
All in all, WC clutches seem to be an excellent example of design and engineering. BMW must be so happy with how it's all worked out
All in all, WC clutches seem to be an excellent example of design and engineering. BMW must be so happy with how it's all worked out
indeed.
So many have been sold that other ADV bikes pale into insignificance by comparison.
Is this the longest thread ever?
madmartin
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Have any owners suffering gear change problems checked that their engine oil is not overfilled? I drained out easily a pint of oil to achieve the correct level when engine fully warmed. Take a look....
I also changed my gear lever for the Mototech lever which brings the gearlever peg closer to the riders footpeg for more positive gear change. It works really well but aint cheap at £100 a go...gulp.
I also changed my gear lever for the Mototech lever which brings the gearlever peg closer to the riders footpeg for more positive gear change. It works really well but aint cheap at £100 a go...gulp.
