Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

[Rocketman]

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Hola a todos.
Yo tengo una lc de principios del 2014.
Desde hace bastante tiempo que notaba que las marchas iban bastante duras, y al reducir de 4ª a 3ª esta me rascaba si no daba un poco de gas, es decir el doble embrague.
En verano comenté com mi concesionario el tema y me dijeron en principio que no tenia constància de que esto pasara a nadie mas. Que el cambio iba un poco mas duro que en mi anterior moto que era un r1200r, al ser la arquitectura del cambio distinta, mejor en la anterior, habia diferencias de tacto.
De todos modos me habrieron una incidencia para que BMW Madrid se pronunciara. Quedamos en que ya me dirian algo sobre la respuesta de Madrid.

Pasaron 4 meses y llegó la hora de hacer la revisión de los 10000kms, al llevar la moto al concesionario para la revisión volví a preguntar como estaba el tema y el responsable de la sección de motos, me comentó que no tenia aún respuesta sobre el tema, pero que volveria a insistir en ello.
A principios de Febrero de este eño me llamó, para comentarme que Madrid ya tenia respuesta, parece ser que habian salido mas propietarios a los que les pasaba lo mismo, es decir cambio duro y problemas con la 3ª ,y que se habian puesto a trabajar en el tema,por lo que me solicitaba que trajera la moto al concesionario para poder cambiar un actuador del cambio a peticion de BMW Madrid.

Tras cambiar el actuador del cambio, escalaron el tema a Alemania, y estos autorizaron a sustituir el cambio enterito. Esto fue la semana pasada. Todo y con esto, el tema aún persistia, solicitaron en el concesionario cambiar el embrague enterito. Esta semana han cambiado el embrague completo.
Hoy por fin he recogido la moto.Debo decir que cuando he ido a probarla no me lo podia creer. Ya no rasca en 3ª y todas las marchas entran perfectamente, sin dureza alguna.Es una gozada.
Debo decir en honor a la verdad que el concesionario se ha implicado con migo y con ganas de solucionarme el problema. Incluso hace un par de semanas, les comenté que tenia mono de moto ya que hacia 1 mes que la mia estaba en el concesionario( me habian avisado previamente que podia pasar). Les comenté si podian dejarme algo para salir el fin de semana.
Se ofrecieron a dejarme una K1600GT pero, ese mismo dia algun comercial la vedió a lo que reaccionarion rápidamente y me ofrecieron a modo de cortesia una rt nuevecita vamos con 3 meses y 3000kms para el fin de semana. Para este pasado fin de semana me la volvieron a ofrecer. Les agradezco el detalle.
En fin, lo que quiero decir es que no hay que conformarse pues, es un fallo de fabricacion y BMW debe hacerse cargo y resolverlo. No lo dejeis pasar.
Os aseguro que no hay color, hay un antes y un después en el cambio. Mi cambio va ahora igual de fino que el de la nueva RT que me dejaron.
Espero que a alguien le sirva mi experiencia.
Un abrazo a todos.

Totally agree

 

[flatdog]

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Hello everyone.
I have a lc early 2014.
For some time I noticed that the marches were quite hard ago, and reducing from 4th to 3rd this I scratched if there was a little gas, ie double clutch.
In summer com my dealer told the issue and was told initially that he had no evidence that this happened to anyone else. That change was a bit harder than my previous bike was a R1200R, being distinct architecture change, better in the above, there were differences of touch.
Anyway I habrieron an issue for BMW Madrid was pronounced. We agreed that I would say something and on the response of Madrid.

They spent four months and the time to review the 10000kms, to bring the bike to the dealer for review I asked again as it was the theme and the head section Motorcycle arrived, I commented that not yet had response on the subject but would return to insist on it.
In early February this Eno called me to comment me that Madrid already had response, it seems that they had left more owners to passing the same thing, that is hard to change and problems with the 3rd, and which had been put to work in the subject, so I requested to bring the bike to the dealer to change a shift actuator at the request of BMW Madrid.

After changing the actuator of change, climbed the issue to Germany, and those authorized to replace the enterito change. That was last week. Everything and with this, the issue still persisted, asked the dealer change the enterito clutch. This week we have changed the entire clutch.
Today I finally collected the moto.Debo say that when I went to try not I could not believe. No scratches on 3rd and all gears fit perfectly, without harshness alguna.Es a blast.
I must say in all honesty that the dealer has been involved with me and eager to sorting out the problem. Even a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that I had monkey bike since towards one month than mine was at the dealership (I had previously warned it could happen). I told them if they could let me leave something for the weekend.

 

[stonehenge]

The bit you missed off:

They offered to leave me a K1600GT but that day some commercial vedio what reaccionarion quickly and was offered as a courtesy rt go with a brand new 3 months and 3000kms for the weekend. For this past weekend I returned to the offer. I appreciate the detail.
Anyway, what I mean is that not settle because it is a manufacturing fault and BMW must take charge and solve it. Not to leave him.
I assure you that no color, there is a before and after the change. My hand is fine now equal to that of the new RT which left me.
I hope someone will serve my experience.
A hug to everyone.

At least we all get a hug other than that - WTF is he on about?

 

[jrc58]

Well, that means that the gearboxes of the LC GS if they fix.
All BMW dealers to claim.

 

[sven]

Everybody happy now

Bikes either sold/replaced/given away or gearboxes/engines replaced free of charge...

Must have gone away, like Engineer says and everybody all warm and cosy now, with their GS WC gearboxes ...just checking

My gearbox had a very stiff action and was quite noisy when changing through the first three gears. It quickly bedded in though and now at 5000 miles it's pretty slick.

 

[MrMcNamara]

My Jan 14 GS has crunch / clunk issues when warm -its great at speed (warm or cold) but travelling in traffic which I do regularly is bloody awful! crunch into gear from neutral when stopped, crunch first to second very heavy clunk going both ways from 3rd 4500mls on the clock, just dealer serviced before I bought it at 4000mls. the hotter it gets (95 deg C just before fan kicks in) the worse it is. I suspect warped plates / steps in the basket claws? is BMW active in resolving at the moment, or trying to dodge the issue? Before you ask, I have had boxers for the last 10 years - various models - yes I know the gearboxes clunk a little - this is in a whole new league & spoiling a brilliant bike when in slow traffic

 

[malcopopolo]

just been out on mine tonight 1st time in 6 weeks to Ashbourne via the lanes... I was feeling stressed before but not NOW. I feel bloody FANTASTIC! they are a great bike apart from the heated grips, corrosion, and clunks but at the end of the ride I feel invigorated and happy and more importantly feel alive. Obviously you this feeling can be achieved with other bikes but the LC GS suits me! I was totally pissed off with the heated grips issue but summers here and i will forget it until Autumn.

I went down a lane that had a rough surface and cattle grids so for the 1st time since owning the bike I set the suspension to soft. WOW very smooth and comfy!

Must try out that dynamic mode....

 

[Beemer Bob]

My October 2014 GS is running like a dream. Long may that continue!

 

[Bails]

My Jan 14 GS has crunch / clunk issues when warm -its great at speed (warm or cold) but travelling in traffic which I do regularly is bloody awful! crunch into gear from neutral when stopped, crunch first to second very heavy clunk going both ways from 3rd 4500mls on the clock, just dealer serviced before I bought it at 4000mls. the hotter it gets (95 deg C just before fan kicks in) the worse it is. I suspect warped plates / steps in the basket claws? is BMW active in resolving at the moment, or trying to dodge the issue? Before you ask, I have had boxers for the last 10 years - various models - yes I know the gearboxes clunk a little - this is in a whole new league & spoiling a brilliant bike when in slow traffic

My June 2013 is perfect. I can make it crunch if I choose. Cold and still if I slam it into first it will clunk, If I pull the clutch in an give it a few seconds for the internals to slow no clunk. I will visit England in July happy to dhow you how an Ozzie can ride a GS without gearbox issues.

 

[Engineer]

I had a 2013 percent bike, yes it clonked do into 1st like many wet clutch bikes but all other changes were fine, needed a blip of throttle on down changes to get the smoothest of changes but used intelligently it was ok. There was a little more clutch drag than ideal but it was hardly the big deal that some make out.

I am sure that there were a few bikes with too much clutch drag which made matters worse than the norm but once one person mentions that their bike is not perfect a type of mass hysteria breaks out with people imagining all sorts of non issues.

My 2015 bike has a little less clutch drag but otherwise it really is not that much different to my 2013 LC. It still clonks into 1st but all other changes are fine as long as one applies a little bit of nous.

 

[pistole]

on my 2014 GS , I can shift smoothly if I want to. Its takes practice though.

but i can also "make" it clunk if I want to as well. Eg , when I shift without paying attention to rpm/clutch.

the 1st gear "klunk" is consistent throughout all the watercooled engines , regardless of year.

then Gear Shift Assistant Pro was retro-fitted to my bike , and its a really impressive bit of hardware/technology. Makes riding the bike so much smoother and allows the rider to concentrate on actually riding the machine rather than clutch/throttle/gear.

cheers.

.

 

[Nutty]

And, we're back.

 

[DING-DONG]

And, we're back.

Can't wait till winter and the Heated grips malarkey reappears .

 

[Neil W]

Got to love the zealots on this forum, the newest bike (which they own ) is the best BMW in the world and they never never have any faults and any alleged faults on newer models are always down to rider error .

BMW motorcycles DO have faults, often numerous and more often than not it is on the new models, if you have a bike that is faultless good for you but stop slagging off people who have genuine faults with bikes that either have production faults or problems due to lack of development by the manufacturer.

I am fully aware of a number of members on here who have both had problems and still have them with LC models but chose not to enter into petty squabbles on an open forum .

 

[GrinningGSer]

My 2014WCGSA had it's entire clutch pack replaced at 3500 mls, cos the clutch was not disengaging (GENUINE FAULT NOT SLAGGING ).This fixed the neutral issue and improved the gear change but still not wonderful. HOWEVER, had its first annual oil change last week (ONLY 4000 mls) and its like having a new gearbox. gorgeous and I mean really nice. Perhaps I should resurrect an oil thread and recommend oil changes more often ?