Crosswind stability?

[Jumblemo]

It certainly aids my idea of fun! Having lived with a week with the bike I just love the power it can put down to the road. And if BMW came out with a black box tomorrow that delivered another 15bhp for £1000 I would buy it without hesitation.

Well, I couldnt quite find a black box delivering another 15bhp for a grand.....but I have ordered the Akra can and collector set that according to Nippy Norman's site does provide the following:

When fitted with the Akrapovic silencer the power increase is 8bhp (baffle out) and 6.5bhp with baffle in.
This figure is peak power, but does not explain the surge in mid-range power gained. There is a MASSIVE increase in torque between 3,500 and 5,500 rpm.
The increase at 5,000 is 12% more torque than standard from 88nm to 99nm
Fitting the collectors alone with the OE silencer will give about 3-4hp gain

More Power....

 

[Engineer]

Cos with the extra power it can now do it all! Woohoo!

More interesting that jap bikes
More comfortable than race reps
More powerful than TC's and older BMs
More affordable than Ducati (Multistrada)
More proven than Triumph
More attractive than the KTM

Sorry, but I LOVE the WC GS as the greatest all rounder. No wonder it sells so well.

Sorry if loving the WC offends!

Abso..bloody..lutely

 

[Jumblemo]

Abso..bloody..lutely

+1 lol

 

[Engineer]

I don't think anyones offended. For the record, I expect to be a Wasserhead owner in the future so I'm not knocking it. I just feel that a few extra horses on a Wasserhead doesn't make it the "buy it now" option for me and I also suspect that once the novelty has worn off, a previous owner of a Hexhead won't be any quicker over the same roads on a WC. If and when I buy one, power and speed will not figure in the reasoning. If that was a reason to buy then a different bike would be a better option including most of the ones you have already mentioned. I believe a GS is a great all round "jack of all trades, master of none" bike and the wasserhead doesn't change that opinion.

I agree, it's not the extra horsepower that makes it a 'must buy now', it is the whole package, virtually everything about the bike is better than the old one and added together make it a 'must have'. The old 1200 is an excellent bike; the new one just that much nicer all round.

 

[cookie]

When fitted with the Akrapovic silencer the power increase is 8bhp (baffle out) and 6.5bhp with baffle in.
This figure is peak power, but does not explain the surge in mid-range power gained. There is a MASSIVE increase in torque between 3,500 and 5,500 rpm.
The increase at 5,000 is 12% more torque than standard from 88nm to 99nm
Fitting the collectors alone with the OE silencer will give about 3-4hp gain

and If you say "Gullible" really slowly it sounds like orange

 

[Jumblemo]

and If you say "Gullible" really slowly it sounds like orange

Oh there really are some sourpusses on here lol

 

[Beemerman59]

I agree, it's not the extra horsepower that makes it a 'must buy now', it is the whole package, virtually everything about the bike is better than the old one and added together make it a 'must have'. The old 1200 is an excellent bike; the new one just that much nicer all round.

In my case though it needs to be the Big Daddy version - the one with the big tank

 

[gsman1]

Posts

Johnny your posting alot of posts on LC are you certain you are not working for a competitor i.e.KTM lol!!!!!!

Just read a new owners report on another Forum, that the new bike was very unstable in the strong crosswinds, we had last week

He writes that riding anything above 70mph over Shap on the A6, in gusty crosswinds of 50mph made the bike very unstable and not easy to track his line

Given that he rode on the way down, over the same road, couple of hours earlier on his GSA to collect his new 12GS WC bike, it seems a pretty accurate assessment of the road conditions

His GSA exhibited no stability issues

Anyone had the same in gusty crosswinds, I know previous RT's and Pans can be a bit of a handful in crosswinds and years ago a friend riding a 2005 12GS, found it very hard to maintain a line, across the Pas de Calais plains - whilst we on 1150GS's weren't having anywhere near the same problems - in very strong crosswinds

Serious thread...

 

[iandavid]

Johnny your posting alot of posts on LC are you certain you are not working for a competitor i.e.KTM lol!!!!!!

Unstable in cross winds- what a complete load of bollocks. We road 2 up in strong crosswinds and the bike is no different to our previous GS which was fine. If you want "unstable" try it on the RT.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Johnny your posting alot of posts on LC are you certain you are not working for a competitor i.e.KTM lol!!!!!!

Lol

 

[stick]

It was so windy today that i decided that it was best to purchase an older model GS as it must be safer than use my new 1200 Mk4 ..............

 

[Davey B]

He has far too much interest in these new bikes. He's a closet lover of them. When he gets shut of his two Massey Fergusons, he'll be straight down to Rainbow to get his order in.....

 

[Katnip]

You really do like to try to piss people off, don't you?

Anyway, no, I've just ridden across Spain to the med, in severe winds in parts of the mountains, and there was no problem at all. There was no single part of the trip where an 1150 would have been a better bike.

Can I ask, do all you guys on the obsolete bikes spend more time posting than riding, or is it only you?

It's only him because he has stabilisers on his bike

 

[Hammam]

And that's what gets your rocks off and why you ride a Gelande Strasse? This is what I just don't get, there's so many better bike's that do what you want to do yet you choose to buy an expensive overlander......

You don't get it.The point is to be able to do that on the Strasse, and ALSO be able to go Gelände without giving it a second thought. Now, what «many better bikes» can do that?

 

[Jumblemo]

You don't get it.The point is to be able to do that on the Strasse, and ALSO be able to go Gelände without giving it a second thought. Now, what «many better bikes» can do that?

And hence I'll return to my earlier point. In my humble opinion the new GS is the greatest all-rounder available. And though I'm prepared to listen to arguments proposing another, the sales figures for the GS would suggest many others are taking the same view.

I know this is really upsetting the Johnny-boxers, Red1s, etc, but the GS is no longer the type of bike for the crowd who liked to say 'my other bike is a caravan'.

The new GS really should have a new name so it doesn't upset the pipe and slipper brigade. I'm thinking the SGS. The Super Gelände Strasse.

 

[Beemerman59]

You don't get it.The point is to be able to do that on the Strasse, and ALSO be able to go Gelände without giving it a second thought. Now, what «many better bikes» can do that?

My point, if you care to go to the post I was quoting, was I don't see how anyone can believe a GS, any GS infact, is the best bike for straight line speed where the owner is purely interested in pining the throttle all the way to the stop in 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. There are better bikes than a GS, even the new hyper powered 125bhp model. I have already stated in several posts that I think I will be a WC owner when the ADV has come out, but I'm not going to make a buying decision based on straight line speed. To me its an irrelevance both on road and off it.

 

[Jumblemo]

My point, if you care to go to the post I was quoting, was I don't see how anyone can believe a GS, any GS infact, is the best bike for straight line speed where the owner is purely interested in pining the throttle all the way to the stop in 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. There are better bikes than a GS, even the new hyper powered 125bhp model. I have already stated in several posts that I think I will be a WC owner when the ADV has come out, but I'm not going to make a buying decision based on straight line speed. To me its an irrelevance both on road and off it.

Where has anyone advocated the sole emphasis on straight-line speed? If I wanted that I'd look at an HP4. Don't drink and post lol.

 

[Beemerman59]

Where has anyone advocated the sole emphasis on straight-line speed? If I wanted that I'd look at an HP4. Don't drink and post lol.

I have got this impression from posts on this subject and others within other threads. Just the impression I'm getting off you guys and is an opinion formed within sobriety

 

[Jumblemo]

I have got this impression from posts on this subject and others within other threads. Just the impression I'm getting off you guys and is an opinion formed within sobriety

Mistaken I suggest. The WC power is indeed a vast improvement over the obsoleted models and current GSA, but it's only a part of the major step up. However, straight-line speed? I haven't seen comment on that here at all??

 

[Beemerman59]

Mistaken I suggest. The WC power is indeed a vast improvement over the obsoleted models and current GSA, but it's only a part of the major step up. However, straight-line speed? I haven't seen comment on that here at all??

As I said, its an impression I've formed from reading posts on here. Your post #42 as an example has added to that perseption, but I accept what your saying now is that your're seperating power and top speed from your view on the bike. I also don't think an extra 10bhp or so over a previous model is really what you could call a "vast improvement" especially in the context you're now moving into. Can I ask what experience you have of previous models to accurately judge what you call a "major step up"?