Death of a GS

[Engineer]

Yeah .... simples. you ride your way and I'll ride mine
Who was it on here who's signature said .... "The mind is like a parachute, it works best when open"

Try it sometime ... The idea is to NOT go in to a corner too fast in the first place, and I've done that a few times
I hope that you don't go in to a corner 'too fast' once too often, I wouldn't like to see you hurt yourself!

Well obviously one doesn't go into a corner to fast! That's what brakes are for - obvious innit

 

[Engineer]

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Fill ya boots

Looks like something may have touched down and taken the load of the rear tyre?????

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Looks like something may have touched down and taken the load of the rear tyre?????

Really !

That is the only explanation that i have expounded a couple of times now !

The thing is at that speed on that corner it shouldnt have grounded out so severely as to cause that !

 

[Fireflyer]

The thing is at that speed on that corner it shouldnt have grounded out so severely as to cause that !

Well the only explanation I can contribute to the investigation is that he went into that corner far too fat

Sorry "Steve" nothing personal

 

[Engineer]

Really !

That is the only explanation that i have expounded a couple of times now !

The thing is at that speed on that corner it shouldnt have grounded out so severely as to cause that !

Well I think you have the answer - simply ran out of ground clearance - maybe your XR has more clearance than a 'loaded up' GS? Need to up the pre-load or hang off a bit more.

 

[Blackal]

Really !

That is the only explanation that i have expounded a couple of times now !

The thing is at that speed on that corner it shouldnt have grounded out so severely as to cause that !

I would have expected your mate to have remembered it grounding - if that was the cause?

Any chance his cruise-control "resumed" due to an inadvertent operation of the button?

Al

 

[DING-DONG]

Took an Advanced guy on a new blade to ireland NW200 in May, he fell off trying trying to keep with us on GS's going up Alston pass!

Can you recall, Piddy's trip to boppard a group of I-Am-Mong crashed into each other on route to the ring, thank fook they never got a lap in

 

[RedRick Esq.]

I would have expected your mate to have remembered it grounding - if that was the cause?

Any chance his cruise-control "resumed" due to an inadvertent operation of the button?

Al

I dont think he ever ever used the cruise and that is another issue he does not recall anything touching down

In the video it certainly looks like something does but that could just be shadows and optical effect

as you can see his line is decent and by interrogating the sat nav his speed was between 40 and 49 at the instant it let go which does not seem excessive

 

[PDiddy]

Can you recall, Piddy's trip to boppard a group of I-Am-Mong crashed into each other on route to the ring, thank fook they never got a lap in

And they were just turning around rather than really going -

 

[fred_jb]

Looks like he was aiming at what he thought was the apex but wasn't, at a speed that already required a fair amount of lean. It seems like he then suddenly leaned it a tad more just at the point when the bend was tightening, rather than opening, when he realised that he was going to run wide. It seems that was sufficient for it to touch down hard enough to unload the rear tyre, which at that speed was enough to start the slide.

That sort of bend is always my worst nightmare after an incident in the Pyrenees a couple of years ago. I was going a lot slower and although I ran wider than intended I managed to stay within my half of the road but unfortunately an approaching car was cutting the corner and I was unable to avoid it and my pannier made contact with the car. Luckily I stayed on, there was very little damage, and we managed to sort it out amicably without recourse to insurance claims, though because I did report the incident I am now being penalised for it on insurance on my car even though no claim was made!

 

[tanneman]

Blimey, that was a nasty one. Just a question, did the rear tyre square off over the trip?

 

[Engineer]

Just glad that he wasn't hurt, that could have been really nasty - not having a explanation shakes ones confidence.

 

[Warlord]

Having watched the video my viewpoint stands 100%

The only addition I would make from looking at the video is his rear tyre is low on air pressure.

It looks half inflated from how the bike is handling around the corners, it's bobbing around way to much.

Under inflated rear tyre and engine case grounding out through lack of clearance brought that bike down.

In my opinion.

 

[Warlord]

Or another alternative TRUTH could be OIL on the road, in combination of low air pressure in rear tyre and severe lean angle just at the wrong moment.

The Perfect Storm scenario

What's this?

 

[Engineer]

Or another alternative TRUTH could be OIL on the road, in combination of low air pressure in rear tyre and severe lean angle just at the wrong moment.

The Perfect Storm scenario

What's this?

Cow poo is often a good reason not to go steaming into corners in the Picos.

 

[fred_jb]

as you can see his line is decent and by interrogating the sat nav his speed was between 40 and 49 at the instant it let go which does not seem excessive

Not sure the line is correct, though it's very easy for us armchair video analysts to say that after the event. Given the way the bend deceptively tightens, as can be seem more clearly on the earlier photos, I think he would have needed to be staying to the left longer and turning in later, probably at somewhat lower speed, to make that bend. His closest point to the white line on the right, effectively the apex of his trajectory would have been OK if the curvature on the exit from the bend was pretty much the same as that on the entry, but it isn't, it tightens considerably. If the exit had been similar to the entry then the road would have headed off more or less through where the stripey pole is located - which not entirely coincidentally is about where the bike ended up.

 

[Warlord]

Not sure the line is correct, though it's very easy for us armchair video analysts to say that after the event. Given the way the bend deceptively tightens, as can be seem more clearly on the earlier photos, I think he would have needed to be staying to the left longer and turning in later, probably at somewhat lower speed, to make that bend. His closest point to the white line on the right, effectively the apex of his trajectory would have been OK if the curvature on the exit from the bend was pretty much the same as that on the entry, but it isn't, it tightens considerably. If the exit had been similar to the entry then the road would have headed off more or less through where the stripey pole is located - which not entirely coincidentally is about where the bike ended up.

Suicide Corner. Told you.

There out there, everywhere

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Or another alternative TRUTH could be OIL on the road, in combination of low air pressure in rear tyre and severe lean angle just at the wrong moment.

The Perfect Storm scenario

What's this?

We looked at that and it was insignificant old stain as for tyre pressure I doubt very much that they are incorrectly inflated knowing Andy and how fastidious he is


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[Warlord]

Cow poo is often a good reason not to go steaming into corners in the Picos.

That'll be it then.... Cow poo is to blame

 

[Warlord]

We looked at that and it was insignificant old stain as for tyre pressure I doubt very much that they are incorrectly inflated knowing Andy and how fastidious he is

Air valve leak, puncture, tyres can deflate quickly...

Did he check them in the morning to confirm? If not I'd check the wreck and see what the rear tyre pressure was.

One of our guys was on low rear tyre pressure when we went on a 4 day lakes holiday.

It was me who pulled him over, he didn't have a clue. 10 PSI it was..... disaster waiting to happen yet the rider felt nothing !