Well the point is that they say it 'learns' but are not able to define how to 'teach' it.
Does ASA 'learn'?
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its just adapts slightly to the style of riding being used.... slower smoother changes earlier in the rev range when riding gently - to smashing it up a gear faster and later with more revs when you rip it
the interesting bit would be how quickly it recovers from one style of riding to another
I agree with many comments most of the perceived improvements will be the rider learning to fight it less - but it will still do the adaptive bits above - which will likely make things worse - as ant brain incompetent adaption tech has always been a mistake - riders can see the road conditions (wet, dry, hot, cold, diesel, ice, wind, gravel, speed cameras etc.), the traffic conditions (congestion, road works, speed limits, bad drivers etc.), plus other considerations like tyre temps, visibility and know how they are feeling.... ant brains are just making it up really badly with almost nothing sensible to work from
the interesting bit would be how quickly it recovers from one style of riding to another
I agree with many comments most of the perceived improvements will be the rider learning to fight it less - but it will still do the adaptive bits above - which will likely make things worse - as ant brain incompetent adaption tech has always been a mistake - riders can see the road conditions (wet, dry, hot, cold, diesel, ice, wind, gravel, speed cameras etc.), the traffic conditions (congestion, road works, speed limits, bad drivers etc.), plus other considerations like tyre temps, visibility and know how they are feeling.... ant brains are just making it up really badly with almost nothing sensible to work from
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I've just reached 8K and I think mine was clearly bottom of its class as it hasn't learnt a thing. I've learn't though that its much better in Dynamic but it Road it tries to get to 6th gear as quick as possible.
Ditto. I have 6k on mine already ( km). I simply dont get how it would learn. As said in some eatlier posts, its more about the rider learning some of the tricks. Dab the brakes etc. Ii find it crap in auto / Drive mode except for towns or motorways so normally ride in manual which is great
different vehicle, different gearbox - but my 400 bhp car has ant brain adaptive changing (like most slush boxes have had for 35 years)
it senses throttle travel used and gets lazier the more you dawdle - the issue (and would love to hear if you guys with ASA notice it), as soon as you really rip it the car transforms in to an insane halfwit revving like mad and trying to leap down gears for no reason whatsoever (as it still retains zero understanding of the road condition you are facing). Without driver intervention (manually forcing it to calm down, by making it use higher gears), it retains this insanity for between 5 to 10 miles before it manages to calm down again. Which is super irritating if heading in to slow traffic with some congestion.
there is a procedure on my car to reset this ant brain - fiddling with ignition key settings and holding on full throttle, engine off for 30 seconds - but there is NO point - many drivers mistakenly believe there is this magic long term rocket scientist voodoo stuff going on - this is not the case with most adaptive gearbox change points - if you waste your life resetting to default - within 5 miles its got as dim witted as its ever going to manage - up until one fast overtake and it turns its world inside out - only to become normal when you realise you can force it to behave
weirdly a mate with a posher two door version of the same car has owned his for 6 years and only just discovered that's exactly how it behaves ! With traffic conditions getting worse and road conditions are smashing up alloy wheels - nowadays you can't press on like one might want too and I guess that's why he found the silliness for the first time
it senses throttle travel used and gets lazier the more you dawdle - the issue (and would love to hear if you guys with ASA notice it), as soon as you really rip it the car transforms in to an insane halfwit revving like mad and trying to leap down gears for no reason whatsoever (as it still retains zero understanding of the road condition you are facing). Without driver intervention (manually forcing it to calm down, by making it use higher gears), it retains this insanity for between 5 to 10 miles before it manages to calm down again. Which is super irritating if heading in to slow traffic with some congestion.
there is a procedure on my car to reset this ant brain - fiddling with ignition key settings and holding on full throttle, engine off for 30 seconds - but there is NO point - many drivers mistakenly believe there is this magic long term rocket scientist voodoo stuff going on - this is not the case with most adaptive gearbox change points - if you waste your life resetting to default - within 5 miles its got as dim witted as its ever going to manage - up until one fast overtake and it turns its world inside out - only to become normal when you realise you can force it to behave
weirdly a mate with a posher two door version of the same car has owned his for 6 years and only just discovered that's exactly how it behaves ! With traffic conditions getting worse and road conditions are smashing up alloy wheels - nowadays you can't press on like one might want too and I guess that's why he found the silliness for the first time
It’s all Adam Ant’s fault, then ….
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You only think the ASA is learning from you but in reality the T~800 teaches you how to ride.
I've finally had a response from BMW Motorrad Head Office Munich:
"...To clarify, the ASA system does not learn or adapt to the rider's style in drive mode. The shifting behavior is determined by a complex map that considers various factors, but it remains fixed and does not adjust based on rider preferences. The only way to influence the shifting behavior is by selecting a different riding mode."
So there it is.
"...To clarify, the ASA system does not learn or adapt to the rider's style in drive mode. The shifting behavior is determined by a complex map that considers various factors, but it remains fixed and does not adjust based on rider preferences. The only way to influence the shifting behavior is by selecting a different riding mode."
So there it is.
Are you going to buy one, then?
Could you ask Munich who developed the “complex map” and where they drew that data from?
Makes sense and might stop the rumours of it "learning"
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Not sure what drivel some who shall not be named (who keeps refering to ants) will make out of it though
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You ought to be able to select the gearbox mode like you can select the riding mode and suspension mode to have what combo you want but I can't see it happening in my lifetime based on how long people have been banging on about ISG and we are no closer.
you don't believe their lies do you ?
there enough rot in that reply to know they were just talking utter twaddle to pull wool over your eyes... following on from Bold - like err, nothing really
It’s all a load of ….. 
Chat GPT has a long response and the summary is that ASA does not learn and there are no formal documents anywhere to be found stating that it learns.
Transmission Control Unit (TCU) logic
• The TCU integrates data from multiple sensors (engine RPM, throttle position, lean angle, clutch actuator position, etc.).
• It selects gears dynamically based on bike state and riding mode.
• It may adapt shift maps for different riding profiles (Sport, Rain, Enduro), but this is likely predefined map switching, not a neural-network or machine-learning optimizer. 
That’s a classic adaptive control pattern with switching logic, rather than a system that learns over time in a machine-learning sense. Many automotive semi-automatic transmissions behave this way.
This is NOT LEARNING
Transmission Control Unit (TCU) logic• The TCU integrates data from multiple sensors (engine RPM, throttle position, lean angle, clutch actuator position, etc.).
• It selects gears dynamically based on bike state and riding mode.
• It may adapt shift maps for different riding profiles (Sport, Rain, Enduro), but this is likely predefined map switching, not a neural-network or machine-learning optimizer. 
That’s a classic adaptive control pattern with switching logic, rather than a system that learns over time in a machine-learning sense. Many automotive semi-automatic transmissions behave this way.
This is NOT LEARNING
I got my new 1300 gsa 2 weeks ago. When i went to my dealer to ride both asa and manual i loved the asa. I chickened out tho and ordered a manual. im now sorry i didnt go with the asa bike. but when i change in a few years ill be going asa with out question.. 
Definitely no learning by the bike, but a fair bit of learning needed by the rider to get the best out of it. It comes naturally though the more you ride the bike. Even if I didn't need ASA to overcome a physical problem, I would absolutely choose it over a manual clutch.
The downside of just a short test ride is, you most probably need a good 6-7 hundred miles to really get to know the system.
The downside of just a short test ride is, you most probably need a good 6-7 hundred miles to really get to know the system.
That’s true . It’s the slow speed manoeuvring that takes a little getting used to but fine after time in the bike
I find that Sabine the breakfast a great way to get the ASA ronddol a gear each time when in auto. I use it white a bit
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