Ducati Darmah

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I have my eye on a 1980 Darmah that still has a kick-start and Campagnolo wheels (I thought they were all changed out in '78).

Anybody on here got or had one and any pros / cons / tips?

Fire away at will, please!
 
I had a kickstart only 1978 900 Ducati, nearly broke my ankle when it kicked back as i tried to start it.
I laid on the ground for 10 minutes thinking i'd broken my ankle the pain was so bad. Sold it 2 weeks later as was too scared to try and start it.

I'll always remember a story in the old Motorcycle Sport magazine, must have been 1979/80, To the Theater by Darmah, always had a soft spot for the Darmah. More usable than an SS
 
I had a kickstart only 1978 900 Ducati, nearly broke my ankle when it kicked back as i tried to start it.
I laid on the ground for 10 minutes thinking i'd broken my ankle the pain was so bad. Sold it 2 weeks later as was too scared to try and start it.

I'll always remember a story in the old Motorcycle Sport magazine, must have been 1979/80, To the Theater by Darmah, always had a soft spot for the Darmah. More usable than an SS

Thank you for your response.
I'll maybe dig out my late '70s Bike mag. copies and look for a road test although personal experience is always best.
 
I had a kickstart only 1978 900 Ducati, nearly broke my ankle when it kicked back as i tried to start it.
I laid on the ground for 10 minutes thinking i'd broken my ankle the pain was so bad. Sold it 2 weeks later as was too scared to try and start it.

I'll always remember a story in the old Motorcycle Sport magazine, must have been 1979/80, To the Theater by Darmah, always had a soft spot for the Darmah. More usable than an SS

I had one too. Ice blue. Beautifully sculpted tank and tail. Sold it to buy food and kid’s shoes.
I remember that article in MCS! Didn’t he have a problem with the studs pulling out of the magnesium hub on the rear wheel. I seem to remember he’d travelled from maybe Aberdeenshire to London in the winter. He was was miffed because Yul Brynner was ‘indisposed’ for that particular performance.
Best bike mag by far!
 
Pal had a Darmah and gave me a ride on it when I met him (for the first time) at the bike shop in Elgin. "Are you serious?" " If you bend it, you fix it! " I was off like a shot up the Pluscarden Road. Lovely sound (Conti silencers), smooth, long wheelbase so very stable handling. Went round corners on rails. Great bikes and.of course, has Nippon Denso gear rather than Italian stuff. If they'd had that when I bought my R60/6, I'd have got the 860GTS I fancied instead.

Edit: i.strongly suspect that.MCS article was.written by my pal, Roger. He took his wife down to the smoke from Elgin and turned up for a meal.at the Cafe Royal with Belstaffs on but dj and black tie underneath! Quite a character!
 
Hi,

I've got a 1980 Darmah SS, had it since 1990 with very few problems, though do have the later wheels and understand there might be problems with the Campagnolo wheels. Mine is electric start only so no problems with kicking back, but with the electric start the Starter Sprag Clutch can break up, caught mine once just in time before it disintegrated.

If you go for the one you are looking at, change the oil and filter every 1,000 miles and only use straight 50 monograde oil in summer and straight 40 if used in winter. I've always used Silkolene Hardwick 50 and with 40,000 miles on the clock it still has its original bottom end and bearings. The other thing for looking after the engine is always keep between 2,000 and 7,000 rpm, don't slog it below 2,000!

Lovely bikes, would never sell mine as don';t think the kids would let me as they both grew up riding on the back.
 
Pal had a Darmah and gave me a ride on it when I met him (for the first time) at the bike shop in Elgin. "Are you serious?" " If you bend it, you fix it! " I was off like a shot up the Pluscarden Road. Lovely sound (Conti silencers), smooth, long wheelbase so very stable handling. Went round corners on rails. Great bikes and.of course, has Nippon Denso gear rather than Italian stuff. If they'd had that when I bought my R60/6, I'd have got the 860GTS I fancied instead.

Edit: i.strongly suspect that.MCS article was.written by my pal, Roger. He took his wife down to the smoke from Elgin and turned up for a meal.at the Cafe Royal with Belstaffs on but dj and black tie underneath! Quite a character!

Hi,

I've got a 1980 Darmah SS, had it since 1990 with very few problems, though do have the later wheels and understand there might be problems with the Campagnolo wheels. Mine is electric start only so no problems with kicking back, but with the electric start the Starter Sprag Clutch can break up, caught mine once just in time before it disintegrated.

If you go for the one you are looking at, change the oil and filter every 1,000 miles and only use straight 50 monograde oil in summer and straight 40 if used in winter. I've always used Silkolene Hardwick 50 and with 40,000 miles on the clock it still has its original bottom end and bearings. The other thing for looking after the engine is always keep between 2,000 and 7,000 rpm, don't slog it below 2,000!

Lovely bikes, would never sell mine as don';t think the kids would let me as they both grew up riding on the back.

Thank you for the info. gentlemen.

Back in my youth I used to ride to the Leapark hotel in Grangemouth 3 nights a week in waterproofs but all smart underneath (shirt and tie smart) ready to dance all night!
Great times!
 
Hi,

I've got a 1980 Darmah SS, had it since 1990 with very few problems, though do have the later wheels and understand there might be problems with the Campagnolo wheels. Mine is electric start only so no problems with kicking back, but with the electric start the Starter Sprag Clutch can break up, caught mine once just in time before it disintegrated.

If you go for the one you are looking at, change the oil and filter every 1,000 miles and only use straight 50 monograde oil in summer and straight 40 if used in winter. I've always used Silkolene Hardwick 50 and with 40,000 miles on the clock it still has its original bottom end and bearings. The other thing for looking after the engine is always keep between 2,000 and 7,000 rpm, don't slog it below 2,000!

Lovely bikes, would never sell mine as don';t think the kids would let me as they both grew up riding on the back.

Oil and filter every 1000 miles is quite frequent in my book!
Why does it need this so often?
 
Oil and filter every 1000 miles is quite frequent in my book!
Why does it need this so often?

The oil filtration on these engines is minimal as the Filter oil feed is a spur off the main oilway to the Crankshaft and if the oil gets dirty then any contaminants collect in the centrifugal Crankshaft Filter until they block off the oilways and the Big Ends fail. It's not possible to clean these oilways without splitting the engine so 5 litres of oil at about £35 every 1,000 miles is much cheaper than a pair of Con Rods (outer track of big end bearing is the Con Rod eye) A pair including Crank Pin come in at exactly £1,181.25 + VAT and in addition you would expect to replace Main Bearings (2 x £73.96+VAT) and then there is Labour, total has to be in the region of £2,500 plus.

Check parts and prices at Mdina Italia at https://www.mdinaitalia.co.uk/ who keep a large range of parts including Con Rod assemblies.

When I first bought mine I phoned Silkolene Technical Department and their man checked in his book and told me that the Ducati Bevel Drive Vee Twin engines had a * against the entry confirming that they should only ever be run on monograde oil and not multigrade due to the Roller Bearing bottom end. Now on the Forums there is almost as much argument about oils as on the BMW and most other Forums, but I've always used the Silkolene Hardwick high detergent straight 50 and am happy with this.

Note that the original Manual that came with the bike from Ducati does say to use 20/50 multigrade but if you do and the bottom end goes it's your pocket that will pay for it!

But when you are riding and winding the engine on, listening to the exhaust from straight through Conti's there is little to beat them.

Edit was to add note about the Bike's Manual.
 
I had a Darmah SS too, 1981 on a W plate. What a glorious bike. I put 85,000 miles on it with no problems - reasonably economical too unless you thrash the living daylights out of it. Although I was milking cows in East Devon, I decided I was going to get the long distance award at the 10th Vee Twin, which was held in Shaftsbury each year, but the Guzzi Club. I had my ticket sent to my sister on the Isle of Skye, well north on the Isle of Skye at that, a good bit north of Uig on the trotternish peninsular. I had the bike all packed up the night before, milked in the morning, came home for breakfast and set off fo Skye. I just managed to get the last ferry, there wasn't a bridge yet, 22.30 was the last one. From Kyleakin to Bryony, back then, was another 2 hours. I arrived and gave strict instructions I was to be awoken in time to get down for the ferry at 07.30.... I was late waking up! Even so, I had a quiick breakfast and set off south again, arriving at the rally around 20.30, it was still very light. They asked where I had come from and mileage.... I gave them the address on Skye and reading off the trip meter..... some bugger who lived in Durness beat me!

I had that bike about 10 years with no trouble whatsoever. It accompanied my lovely little Morini 350. Marzzochi piggy back rear shocks I remember, with fins on the reservoir, in gold and 'gold' magnesium wheels, which was actually a sort of khaki colour.

I had experience of Ducati bevel drives from working at Mac Services in Bodmin, we were a Kawasaki, Guzzi and Ducati dealership, with the special tools and everything - this was back in the days of Coburn & Hughes being the importers. We set up the desmo using a dial gauge mounted on the fin... you had to be sure to turn the engine the right way, otherwise the dial gauge snagged and it broke the fin quite easily. We didn't do it, but I do remember a letter coming warning us of the fact, so someone had, somewhere!
 
The oil filtration on these engines is minimal as the Filter oil feed is a spur off the main oilway to the Crankshaft and if the oil gets dirty then any contaminants collect in the centrifugal Crankshaft Filter until they block off the oilways and the Big Ends fail. It's not possible to clean these oilways without splitting the engine so 5 litres of oil at about £35 every 1,000 miles is much cheaper than a pair of Con Rods (outer track of big end bearing is the Con Rod eye) A pair including Crank Pin come in at exactly £1,181.25 + VAT and in addition you would expect to replace Main Bearings (2 x £73.96+VAT) and then there is Labour, total has to be in the region of £2,500 plus.

Check parts and prices at Mdina Italia at https://www.mdinaitalia.co.uk/ who keep a large range of parts including Con Rod assemblies.

When I first bought mine I phoned Silkolene Technical Department and their man checked in his book and told me that the Ducati Bevel Drive Vee Twin engines had a * against the entry confirming that they should only ever be run on monograde oil and not multigrade due to the Roller Bearing bottom end. Now on the Forums there is almost as much argument about oils as on the BMW and most other Forums, but I've always used the Silkolene Hardwick high detergent straight 50 and am happy with this.

Note that the original Manual that came with the bike from Ducati does say to use 20/50 multigrade but if you do and the bottom end goes it's your pocket that will pay for it!

But when you are riding and winding the engine on, listening to the exhaust from straight through Conti's there is little to beat them.

Edit was to add note about the Bike's Manual.

Contis? Another story about pal Roger. I rode down the A68 to Darlington with him. I was R80 mounted with Continental tyres which I never really trusted in the wet. It pissed down most of the way. Roger was way ahead on the Darmah but I could tell exactly where he was by the cattle, sheep etc galloping uphill as he passed! :D
 
I ran a number of Ducati twins / single in the late 70s and 80s.
I was always told to use a heavy oil, think around SAE50, although being in the far north I used SAE 40 and as stated earlier it was a regular change 1000-1200miles.
Advice was from someone who raced them.
Plus when taking them out for a run, I was religious with warm up, by that I would go at least 6-8 miles, even longer before opening up.
It was to ensure the front cylinder was at an equilibrated temp to the rear.
At that time the 860GTS had about 25,000 miles on it and my MHR was around 14,000.
Never had any problems.
Genuine head turners with the sound from the Contis.
 
Agree with you about warming the engine thoroughly before using the performance. I find it's when the gear change becomes smoother and lighter that it's ready to go.
The things that I would like to modify being to fit a hydraulic clutch conversion, plus the lower footrests that the last of the Darmah SS model were fitted with, but this mod isn't really straightforward due to Engine Case changes etc..
 
Let us know once you've bought the Darmah and have got it sorted and out on the road - you will enjoy it :-)
 
Let us know once you've bought the Darmah and have got it sorted and out on the road - you will enjoy it :-)

Thank you, will do.
I've still to check on the price and history.
I'm intrigued why a Jan '80 one still has a kick-start fitted!
Maybe they didn't sell very quickly and it was old stock, I don't know yet.
 
I wondered the same thing about the Kick Start, but all of these Darmahs were Parts Bin specials depending what was available on the shelf for the day that Bike/Engine was assembled. This including for the Darmah SS (not sure about the Darmah Sport) whether you got 40mm inlet ports with 40mm Carb's or with 32mm Carb's fitted and then some with 32mm Inlets. Besides Conti or Silentium Silencers. Mine has the 40mm Carb's and Inlets plus double webbed Con Rods as per the 900SS! There is also an un-machined Kick Start Boss in the right side Engine Case.

There are some good books out there especially by Mick Walker and a really good one by John Fallon, besides the Forums etc.

Hope this helps.
 
I wondered the same thing about the Kick Start, but all of these Darmahs were Parts Bin specials depending what was available on the shelf for the day that Bike/Engine was assembled. This including for the Darmah SS (not sure about the Darmah Sport) whether you got 40mm inlet ports with 40mm Carb's or with 32mm Carb's fitted and then some with 32mm Inlets. Besides Conti or Silentium Silencers. Mine has the 40mm Carb's and Inlets plus double webbed Con Rods as per the 900SS! There is also an un-machined Kick Start Boss in the right side Engine Case.

There are some good books out there especially by Mick Walker and a really good one by John Fallon, besides the Forums etc.

Hope this helps.

Thanks again for your input;,it's much appreciated.
I could buy a 2014 Diavel for the same money I reckon; or maybe even less!
 
But the Diavel will lose value over time where as the Darmah will appreciate - your choice :-)
 


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