E-bike buying advice wanted

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I think we want to buy his n’ hers e-bikes to complement the fairly recent purchase of a camper van. Even though we try to be very lightweight and agile in the camper it’s a pita when you need to spend even 10 mins packing it up and another 10 setting up again just to nip out somewhere. We are happy to walk for anything up to an hour to go to the pub or a shop but we reckon an e-bike each would make our life in the camper so much easier. An hour’s walk becomes 15-20min ride while a half day out on the e-bikes would get you 20 or so miles without breaking into too much of a sweat.

We’ve got a couple of old normal bikes. Mine a clunky bitsa mtb with most components being from the noughties, the wife’s a heavy steel framed step thru shopper with a basket. We are fairly fit and agile but not bike fit at all both only really using the bikes for less than a mile at a time for the past few years. So we fancied an upgrade to a couple of e-bikes.

We think we want to go down the less is more route with just enough electric assist to make life easier but not do all the work. We’ve test rode a couple (a Ribble and a Specialised), both very similar Hybrid style bikes with 250w/35nm motors and 250wh / 320wh batteries respectively. The bikes look great, ride lovely on the short test rides, and the electric assist seems great. We very nearly bought two of the Specialised. BUT…. I had this nagging doubt. All the reviews and the salesman’s spiel was about urban use, lightweight, gentle e-assist, and capable of gentle trails. But, is that enough? Would I be better getting a bigger motor and bigger battery, albeit for increased overall weight. Plus the somewhat skinny tyres and no suspension of hybrid bikes means trails are never going to easy rides, even a pedal across a campsite field isn’t going to be the easiest ride.

For similar money to the Specialised Turbo Vado SL I can get any number of hard tail mtb or hybrid bikes with 50nm+ motor and 500+ wh batteries.. but they weigh 24kg or more (the Vado weighs 15kg) and look pretty shite to me.

Our bike carrier can take 2x30kg bikes so only the clunkiest of bikes would exceed that.

There’s also the question of charging. I think a compact inverter will let me charge from the van’s leisure battery but two 500wh batteries will pretty much drain it I reckon or would be a big load on the van’s alternator if I only charged while driving. However 2x 250wh is half the demand and probably within the vans capability. So we’d need a hook up for the more powerful bikes I think.

I suppose my main question is, would we regret only getting relatively modestly powered e-bikes, or should we go full fat from the outset. The budget is limited but could stretch to around £3k per bike.

Is there anywhere where we could go and test ride for an hour or so several styles and powers of bikes? Happy to pay a modest sum if I got that back if I made a purchase.

Thanks
 
We have a camper and two ebikes, I have an Oxygen 27 speed MTB & my wife has an 8 speed Wisper, she is now thinking of getting the step through version Oxygen with more gears to deal with more varied terrain when we are travelling, ie more hills, the Oxygens are around 18/19 kg without the battery and I find it light enough to use with very little assist except on steep inclines, I get 55-65 miles per charge depending terrain etc, I have a 600w inverter fitted and charge as we drive as we rarely use EHU. I have a home made swing away bar on the back of the van to allow rear access to to the van.( we have a fixed bed and all our storage is under the bed.
The picture shows our old bikes on bar and this now being modified to have a small jockey wheel fitted.
The Oxygens are around £1700 and have 3 battery options.
Al.
 

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That looks like a tidy setup Al. Our van is a Ford Transit Nugget (a swb one at that) with a detachable tow bar so no chance of stuff like that without another big financial outlay. I’ll look into the Oxygen bikes - never come across them before, there’s dozens of manufacturers out there though. You’d think the market would be cut throat for e-bikes but it doesn’t seem to be.

I’m edging towards the light and lower power having found some previous discussions on the subject on here.
 
My wife has a Lapierre hardtail ebike. It has 27.5 wheels, now shod with 2.5" semi slick MTB tyres....fine on the road, OK on gravel or hardpack. It was c£2000 in Dec 22. Comes with a 400wh battery which will get her 60 miles + with 5000+ft of climbing on route. She is c 9.5st and generally uses it in eco+ with the 3 higher power levels reserved for hills and bigger hills. I'd probably require a 625wh battery to ride the same routes/power levels based on me being 14st. (I don't have an ebike) Hers is a yamaha power system and has been spot on for the last 16mths and 1000+ miles and much climbing.
It weighs c 24kg and is a bit of a knack lifting it up on the rack on the back of our MoHo...but not really too much of an issue.
Looks like they've moved over to Bosch

I'd happily have one of these (and maybe their ladies equivalent for your wife...£5k all in)
 
How far is Dalby Forest? Granted, the choice for hiring is between full suspension v hard tail e-bikes from Trek but it’s a nice place to thrash around the trails.

 
Pop up to Wheelbase at Staveley (and have some lunch at Wilfs cafe). They have a decent selection of ebikes
 
I have a folding 20" wheeled Estarli. I have the 20.8 version which has fat chunky tyres for a bit of give. I can get about 30 miles without running out of power from it's small battery which is in the seat post, driving the rear wheel motor.

They even do a 12V charger specifically aimed at caravans and motorhomes.
 
Will definitely be going there soon, not least as son #2 lives in Staveley and haven’t seen him in a couple of months. However I find the shop a bit meh. You know unhelpful slightly snooty staff intolerant of numpties and numpty questions.

Wilf’s isn’t the place it used to be.
 
My wife has the Turbo Vado SL you mention above. At 17 kgs including mudguards and rack its been a game changer. She has just ticked over 3000 miles. The two of us can easily get it our car along with my normal bike. We have friends with 26 kg bikes that cannot transport them easily. I can manhandle it on my own , but its a gangly lift.

In term of range , over the 3 k miles the average range was 50 miles eg we usually do two rides ( 25+ 30) between charges, so you may not need to worry unduly over charging. We paid £3 k in 2022, I saw one in Chester the other day for £2300.

Our neighbours are trading back their 25 kg bikes for brand new Whyte bikes at 15 kgs each. They use them with there camper. Lastly dont rule out mild off roading , here is my wife riding over the Wayfairers path, a greenlaners favourite.IMG_4595.jpeg
 
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Hi

I haven't the complete answer, but as regards places to visit and get advice I'd definitely recommend:
Wheelbase Staveley, cracking customer service and selection or
MTB Monster, not far from you, and as above

I've bought bikes from both, my only e bike was a Cube MTB.....cracking bike but these are very very capable bikes and heavy and will do any terrain. MTB Monster do hybrids (Cube et al) but they still look heavy and a little cumbersome

If you just want to tootle about then I'd seriously consider a gravel bike...I have an non electric gravel bike and they are superb and can handle uneven paths etc. Have a look at the Ribble Al e bike.....I always thought they would get one of these. the flat bar model looks ideal and comes in about 10kg lighter than an eMTB

Happy to help in other ways if your struggling to choose.

cheers Ali
 
My wife has the Turbo Vado SL you mention above. At 17 kgs including mudguards and rack its been a game changer. She has just ticked over 3000 miles. The two of us can easily get it our car along with my normal bike. We have friends with 26 kg bikes that cannot transport them easily. I can manhandle it on my own , but its a gangly lift.

In term of range , over the 3 k miles the average range was 50 miles eg we usually do two rides ( 25+ 30) between charges, so you may not need to worry unduly over charging. We paid £3 k in 2022, I saw one in Chester the other day for £2300.

Our neighbours are trading back their 25 kg bikes for brand new Whyte bikes at 15 kgs each. They use them with there camper. Lastly dont rule out mild off roading , here is my wife riding over the Wayfairers path, a greenlaners favourite.View attachment 316103
Excellent stuff thanks. We looked at the Turbo Vado SL, although the standard version without the rack and mudguards. It’s top of our list and is about 2kg lighter than the EQ version your wife is on.
Hi

I haven't the complete answer, but as regards places to visit and get advice I'd definitely recommend:
Wheelbase Staveley, cracking customer service and selection or
MTB Monster, not far from you, and as above

I've bought bikes from both, my only e bike was a Cube MTB.....cracking bike but these are very very capable bikes and heavy and will do any terrain. MTB Monster do hybrids (Cube et al) but they still look heavy and a little cumbersome

If you just want to tootle about then I'd seriously consider a gravel bike...I have an non electric gravel bike and they are superb and can handle uneven paths etc. Have a look at the Ribble Al e bike.....I always thought they would get one of these. the flat bar model looks ideal and comes in about 10kg lighter than an eMTB

Happy to help in other ways if your struggling to choose.

cheers Ali
Thanks Ali, we test rode a Ribble Al e bike at Clitheroe. Really like it but the Specialised Vado is nicer and better, and cheaper. There’s a new Whyte e-hybrid about to hit the shops that is supposed to be very well specc’d and good to ride.

Both sons are well into their gravel bikes and bike packing so are edging us towards e-Gravel bikes. They just returned from an epic brotherly ride of 1000 miles around Morocco (I suspect they competed and fought the whole way despite both being in their 30s) and generally take their bikes along some epic tracks wherever they go. Sonder bikes do an egravel bike so we may try and see that at Alpkit in Ambleside, but we were more after upright bikes really with no pretences other than a comfy ride to the pub or shop. I can feel a trip to the Lake District coming on.

I think we will try and find somewhere that will rent us a full power mtb/hybrid and low power hybrid each so we can ride and swap to compare . I will be trying out bikes too small for me so it won’t be a true test but close.

No one has persuaded me yet that light and agile isn't preferable to full power.
 
Bosch motor and 625 battery the same as my Cube Action team. Great combination.

 
If you carry your e-bike on a cycle carrier behind your vehicle in wet weather, wrap the motor in a bin bag to protect it from water ingress. The pressure void behind a moving vehicle will pull water behind it that can have enough force to penetrate the motor seals.

Never jet wash or hosepipe an e-bike motor or crank for the same reason.
 
I bought a Whyte Hybrid bike for £1300 (half price) you can look up the specs. I got it mainly for commuting but it’s excellent all round/off road as well. I use it much more than I ever thought I would, range is nearly 80 miles, SHIMANO MOTOR.
 
Maybe go on YouTube and watch a few videos from the Global EMBN site etc to get a better informed view of E-mountain bikes ?


From re-reading your post, I think an E- gravel bike with a hub mounted motor would be a great compromise on range and suitability if you don't ever intend going too far off trail. Being a hub motor it shouldn't chew through chains and sprockets like my 24Kg mid-motor E-MTB does.
 
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And perfect timing too


Edit… I’ve watched it now. Very focused on mountain biking of the sort we will never do but still relevant. My take aways are that a lighter e-bike is more like an analogue (love & hate that term) bike to ride so easier to manage in nearly all riding conditions, that geometry and riding style play a big part and personal fitness and weight are big factors. I’m still of the opinion that lighter is the way to go.
 
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Maybe go on YouTube and watch a few videos from the Global EMBN site etc to get a better informed view of E-mountain bikes ?


From re-reading your post, I think an E- gravel bike with a hub mounted motor would be a great compromise on range and suitability if you don't ever intend going too far off trail. Being a hub motor it shouldn't chew through chains and sprockets like my 24Kg mid-motor E-MTB does.

I think I’ll be getting rid of my E MTB for an E gravel bike before too long. As I’ve said elsewhere, the weight of the MTB is prohibitive to say the least and if I want to avoid a serious risk of heart failure I’m limited as to where I can go on my road bike because as soon as I head east from our house there are a lot of hills.

Those 10 or 12kg might not sound a lot but they feel a lot at the end of a day out.
 
Maybe go on YouTube and watch a few videos from the Global EMBN site etc to get a better informed view of E-mountain bikes ?


From re-reading your post, I think an E- gravel bike with a hub mounted motor would be a great compromise on range and suitability if you don't ever intend going too far off trail. Being a hub motor it shouldn't chew through chains and sprockets like my 24Kg mid-motor E-MTB does.
Mmm, good suggestion on the egravel bikes. I think a re-visit to Ribble is in order.
 


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