Engine corrosion - result!
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You may be getting confused between 'goodwill' and
It doesn't stop you asking the question of your dealer
It doesn't stop you asking the question of your dealer
Yep it's rust
It is rust, so they are not stainless, mine are surface rusty too, tooth brush and a bit of metal polish brings em up nice until next time
Terry
It is rust, so they are not stainless, mine are surface rusty too, tooth brush and a bit of metal polish brings em up nice until next time
Terry
AFAIK some stainless is magnetic. some corrodes.
The spokes are ferritic stainless steel, cookie is quite right. A magnet will stick to them but not very well. The torx head nipples are just normal steel.
My 2016 bike has less than 300 miles and what looks like rust is present in the nipple torx head. It wipes off and may just be some kind off assembly paste/liquid residue. It's running in check is due Friday, so I will see what the dealer has to say. If it's rust, then that's a big issue for a bike that was assembled by BMW less than a month ago.
Already on my 3rd engine, have had so many parts replaced. I've called the bike 'Triggers Broom'
Does this mean the replacement engines are no better then the originals? I've raised the paint problems on mine as an issue with the dealer who says they will contact BMW. Mind you, I had to remind them yesterday and found nothing had been done in the two months since I first raised it, when photos were taken.
To my mind it's a manufacturing issue where sharp machined edges are not deburred prior to painting.
Paint can't adhere correctly on 90 degree sections and flakes off. I'm sure the weather and road treatments in this country make the situation worse.
Paint can't adhere correctly on 90 degree sections and flakes off. I'm sure the weather and road treatments in this country make the situation worse.
Karlread
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This is quite an interesting point, knowing full well that it was only British RT LC's which have the black engine I said to one of the BMW bods at the Motorrad days in Garmisch this year that I didn't realise they were still making the bikes with Silver engines. He conceded that the British market is unique in that whilst roads are salted in other countries, customers in those countries would not ride if there was a whiff of salt on the road. I then told him about my 2015 RT, never been ridden on salted roads, covered in ACF50 and Bilt Hamber Dynax UC over the top has corroded where the edges where the engine casings meet the cylinder heads and at the edge of the front engine cover. He conceded that the manufacturing process means the parts are powder coated and then machined leaving an exposed edge and they coukd not slow down the process by painting those edges so we are stuck with things as they are. Incidentally, it is the same process for the black engines.
The RT is a magnificent bike, alas I can see a roaring business for powder coasters on bikes when they become 3 years old and onwards. I think BMW are victims of their own success in that they have had to accelerate production processes and are also beholden to the bean counting accountants who want to squeeze every last penny of profit. There is also the rise of the PCP scheme which means people are less likely to consider their toy as a long term purchase. I use a motorbike in winter but use an R1100RS and the finish for a 20 year old bike is excellent, though then BMW produced far less bikes and coukd put all sorts of nasties in the paint.
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When they replaced it, was it with a 2014 spec motor or the latest?
Yes, I wonder how you tell which spec the replacement engine is ? Maybe through the engine number ?
sven
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As far as I'm aware it's the latest spec engine. The heavier flywheel is noticeable as the engine's not as free revving, the gear change is better in the lower gears (mine was always fine 3-4-5-6) and the paint finish is different
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Mine was done last month as well as a new front shock,
They wouldn't touch the spoke nipples and said it was lack of cleaning nor would they do the disc bolts as a couple were bad, so Chester gave me a couple of new ones.
They wouldn't touch the spoke nipples and said it was lack of cleaning nor would they do the disc bolts as a couple were bad, so Chester gave me a couple of new ones.
Juanma33
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hi guys!
sorry for being a pain but..... I think that you are missing the point.... I have read plenty of "good customer service" but....What about rubbish quality?
yes I had lots of parts changed during the warranty period, and I even got 100 pounds to spend on any dealer after scalating my problems with bmw uk. However, I'm not willing to overlook the real problem..... bmw qualify is not there any more.
so far 15k on the clock, let's see if I got the confidence back on the bike when time passes. ..
sorry for being a pain but..... I think that you are missing the point.... I have read plenty of "good customer service" but....What about rubbish quality?
yes I had lots of parts changed during the warranty period, and I even got 100 pounds to spend on any dealer after scalating my problems with bmw uk. However, I'm not willing to overlook the real problem..... bmw qualify is not there any more.
so far 15k on the clock, let's see if I got the confidence back on the bike when time passes. ..
I bought my Sept 2013 privately with 505 miles and got the whole drive train replaced at just over 3000 miles due to white spot corrosion which was minor compared to the picture in this thread.
Now on 17000 miles and the finish so far is still perfect, touch wood !
Now on 17000 miles and the finish so far is still perfect, touch wood !
Karlread
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There is some hope for those who have had corroded items replaced, if BMW have resolved the issues surrounding either the paint or preparation of the surface beforehand that it is being applied to.
Likelylad
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First time owner of a BMW,have I done the right thing?
Hi all,this is my first posting on the site.
I am 66 years old and have been riding bikes of all types over the past 50 years but I have for the first time,purchased a 2013 R1200GS Liquid cooled.I bought the bike from a non franchised dealer,I traded in my FJR1300 which had covered 140000 miles and apart from routine servicing carried out by myself and normal wear and tear items,I have had to do nothing to it.
Because of a recent hip operation,I needed a lighter to handle bike.Friends of mine suggested that I try the new water cooled GS so reluctantly I did.I had it for a whole day and did a 400 mile ride,these are my thoughts.
To me the bike felt a light as a feather and went around corners as if it were on rails,the engine sound is little different to the FJR and so was the vibration,it was never going to be as smooth as a big 4 but I soon got to
like it.The gearbox,after being used to the silky smooth changes on the FJR,was a bit of a shock,it was clunky to the point of me thinking that there must be a fault on this one,it reminded me of my old Norton but worse.
I soldiered on and figured out,with this box the secret was to rev higher and change like a quick shifter,this method helped a lot and by the time I had to take the bike back,it was no longer an issue for me.The drop in power compared to the FJR is significant but the FJR because of its high up weight,could not corner like the GS,so I was happy with this trade off.To sum up,as a package the GS is unbeatable,I love it thats why I bought one.
I have had my bike for two weeks,here's where I am now......Corrosion showing on various areas of the engine and on the final drive casing (I should have looked more closely)but more importantly,I have play in the
rear wheel,if I grab the wheel at 12 oclock and six oclock,there is approx 2mm of play.I was under the impression that BMW had sorted the final drive problems out on the newer machines but it seems they are still leaving customers to do the R and D for them.Maybe they should ask Yamaha how to build a final drive.
I am worried now,the bike has only covered 8000 miles and its out of warranty,cant see it lasting 140000 miles,that's why I ask,Have I done the right thing!
Hi all,this is my first posting on the site.
I am 66 years old and have been riding bikes of all types over the past 50 years but I have for the first time,purchased a 2013 R1200GS Liquid cooled.I bought the bike from a non franchised dealer,I traded in my FJR1300 which had covered 140000 miles and apart from routine servicing carried out by myself and normal wear and tear items,I have had to do nothing to it.
Because of a recent hip operation,I needed a lighter to handle bike.Friends of mine suggested that I try the new water cooled GS so reluctantly I did.I had it for a whole day and did a 400 mile ride,these are my thoughts.
To me the bike felt a light as a feather and went around corners as if it were on rails,the engine sound is little different to the FJR and so was the vibration,it was never going to be as smooth as a big 4 but I soon got to
like it.The gearbox,after being used to the silky smooth changes on the FJR,was a bit of a shock,it was clunky to the point of me thinking that there must be a fault on this one,it reminded me of my old Norton but worse.
I soldiered on and figured out,with this box the secret was to rev higher and change like a quick shifter,this method helped a lot and by the time I had to take the bike back,it was no longer an issue for me.The drop in power compared to the FJR is significant but the FJR because of its high up weight,could not corner like the GS,so I was happy with this trade off.To sum up,as a package the GS is unbeatable,I love it thats why I bought one.
I have had my bike for two weeks,here's where I am now......Corrosion showing on various areas of the engine and on the final drive casing (I should have looked more closely)but more importantly,I have play in the
rear wheel,if I grab the wheel at 12 oclock and six oclock,there is approx 2mm of play.I was under the impression that BMW had sorted the final drive problems out on the newer machines but it seems they are still leaving customers to do the R and D for them.Maybe they should ask Yamaha how to build a final drive.
I am worried now,the bike has only covered 8000 miles and its out of warranty,cant see it lasting 140000 miles,that's why I ask,Have I done the right thing!
Karlread
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Given the low mileage I suggest you pop down to your local BMW Motorrad dealer and see if they can help, I understand that Benhams nor Pidcocks have received glowing reports for customer service recently. It could just be a few isolated cases, but there are Rainbow in The Sheffield area or Balderstons in Peterborough. I deal with Wollastons in Northampton who I must say are very good.
Let us know how you get on.
Let us know how you get on.
Likelylad
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Thanks for the heads up Karl,my long time pal and GS owner,swears by Cotswold Motorrad says its the best and most helpful dealer he has ever found.It's a bit of a ride from where I am but I need these issues looking at.I will update you when I have
resolved or otherwise,these problems.
resolved or otherwise,these problems.
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