it's a big waste of oxygen in many cases
Ethanol issues
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it's a big waste of oxygen in many cases
Still makes no sense, wessie. Iowa and Nebraska farmers can be subsidized for growing food just the same as inedible corn, hell subsidize it for bourbon FFS. Even the greenies admit it does very little to no good at all for the environment so it isn't to cater to them. Back when we imported all our petroleum it gave us a slight boost by diluting it with our own corn alcohol but that's no longer the case.
This is one of the the stupidest and most damaging supposedly green policies that the oil industry have come up with (not the greenies). They have duped dopey politicians into thinking that growing and processing plant material to produce alcohol was going to offset burning fossil fuels. This is nonsense and "greenies" have recognised this from the outset.
Most governments offer tax credits, grants, and mandates that require certain levels of biofuel to be blended into gasoline. In the U.S., for example, a tax credit known as the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC) (since 2004) is received by the gasoline blenders, which are often oil companies. For the Oil companies it's a win win win.
They get tax breaks to produce it
It boosts octane rating so cuts refining costs
Alcohol has less calorific value than petrol so the alcohol content of the fuel reduces MPG. Therefore you have to burn more.
For getting ethanol free fuel there are a couple of options. A company called Aspen in the UK sells a 98 Octane ethanol free fuel for classic vehicles that lasts about a year or more. Or, you can make your own by adding water to the petrol and giving it a shake. The alcohol dissolves in the water and separates out. You can then drain the water containing the alcohol from the bottom of the separation container (don't blow yourself up). This lowers the octane rating of the fuel so depending on use you might have to add an octane booster. A friend of mine uses this method to run his two old 1930's Austin 7's
Most governments offer tax credits, grants, and mandates that require certain levels of biofuel to be blended into gasoline. In the U.S., for example, a tax credit known as the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC) (since 2004) is received by the gasoline blenders, which are often oil companies. For the Oil companies it's a win win win.
They get tax breaks to produce it
It boosts octane rating so cuts refining costs
Alcohol has less calorific value than petrol so the alcohol content of the fuel reduces MPG. Therefore you have to burn more.
For getting ethanol free fuel there are a couple of options. A company called Aspen in the UK sells a 98 Octane ethanol free fuel for classic vehicles that lasts about a year or more. Or, you can make your own by adding water to the petrol and giving it a shake. The alcohol dissolves in the water and separates out. You can then drain the water containing the alcohol from the bottom of the separation container (don't blow yourself up). This lowers the octane rating of the fuel so depending on use you might have to add an octane booster. A friend of mine uses this method to run his two old 1930's Austin 7's
I always use Ariete double walled tubing, but any Durite tube should be AOK.
I don't know about there but here it was not the oil companies promoting ethanol (although they may be now). Congress (catering to environmentalists) is who did by creating the Renewable Fuel Standard in 2003. The idea being it could reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and to a very slight amount reduce our dependence on foreign oil. From this act a mandate to blend ethanol into gasoline was created and the ethanol industry boomed!
In digging around I found: Existing fuel producers and refiners, companies such as Shell, BP, and Exxon Mobil Corp., were caught flat-footed by the explosion of growth in the ethanol industry. A quote back then from Rex Tillerson at a 2007 Houston energy conference "I don't know much about farming, I'm not an expert on biofuels, and there's not a lot of technology I can add to moonshine," and "There is really nothing we can bring to that whole issue. We don't see a direct role for ourselves with today's technology."
It wasn't long though before the ethanol industry ran into financial problems and many went bankrupt. That left a good opportunity for distilleries to be bought for a fraction of what they had cost to build. This is when oil companies started buying them up, "if the government is mandating us add alcohol to gasoline we may as well produce the stuff ourselves". Now many, or maybe most, are owned by oil companies. Personally I don't care if they offer gasohol (although I think it's stupid) as long as it's not government subsidized and we have the choice of buying straight gasoline.
There is a chain of gas station / convenience stores in the northeast called Sheetz and as of 6-7 years ago they started offering ethanol free 90 octane (about 95 research) for about 10 cents a gallon over 93 and that's what I generally use in motorcycles, especially now toward the end of the season. I use ethanol free exclusively in the small engine stuff like mowers, saw, UTV's, generator etc all year. For the car and truck I can't tell any difference, it's fine in vehicles that are used regularly and alcohol is used to boost octane. Adding 10% ethanol to 90 octane gasoline is how they make the 93.
I haven't heard of problems in recent years with newer engines in fact everything I have says 10% ethanol is ok to use, Older engines are a different matter. As mentioned it doesn't store well either.
In digging around I found: Existing fuel producers and refiners, companies such as Shell, BP, and Exxon Mobil Corp., were caught flat-footed by the explosion of growth in the ethanol industry. A quote back then from Rex Tillerson at a 2007 Houston energy conference "I don't know much about farming, I'm not an expert on biofuels, and there's not a lot of technology I can add to moonshine," and "There is really nothing we can bring to that whole issue. We don't see a direct role for ourselves with today's technology."
It wasn't long though before the ethanol industry ran into financial problems and many went bankrupt. That left a good opportunity for distilleries to be bought for a fraction of what they had cost to build. This is when oil companies started buying them up, "if the government is mandating us add alcohol to gasoline we may as well produce the stuff ourselves". Now many, or maybe most, are owned by oil companies. Personally I don't care if they offer gasohol (although I think it's stupid) as long as it's not government subsidized and we have the choice of buying straight gasoline.
There is a chain of gas station / convenience stores in the northeast called Sheetz and as of 6-7 years ago they started offering ethanol free 90 octane (about 95 research) for about 10 cents a gallon over 93 and that's what I generally use in motorcycles, especially now toward the end of the season. I use ethanol free exclusively in the small engine stuff like mowers, saw, UTV's, generator etc all year. For the car and truck I can't tell any difference, it's fine in vehicles that are used regularly and alcohol is used to boost octane. Adding 10% ethanol to 90 octane gasoline is how they make the 93.
I haven't heard of problems in recent years with newer engines in fact everything I have says 10% ethanol is ok to use, Older engines are a different matter. As mentioned it doesn't store well either.
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