The twin cam handbook alway said to use 98 for full engine power. 95 can be used but with a reduction in power. Ño idea if the LC bikes are the same?
interesting they don't all say that the 450 480 and 470 09/2009 and 08/2011 does
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/service/manuals/owners-handbook.html
Recommended fuel grade Premium plus unleaded
98 ROZ/RON
91 AKI
alternative fuel grade Premium unleaded (slight power- and
consumption-related restrictions)
95 ROZ/RON
89 AKI
with regular unleaded (RON 91) OE Regular unleaded (power- and consumption-related
restrictions)
91 ROZ/RON
87 AKI
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/service/manuals/owners-handbook.html
Recommended fuel grade Premium plus unleaded
98 ROZ/RON
91 AKI
alternative fuel grade Premium unleaded (slight power- and
consumption-related restrictions)
95 ROZ/RON
89 AKI
with regular unleaded (RON 91) OE Regular unleaded (power- and consumption-related
restrictions)
91 ROZ/RON
87 AKI
Mines a 2010. Model code 0450.
There is a noticeable difference in engine performance (on mine) when running higher octanes than 95.
There is a noticeable difference in engine performance (on mine) when running higher octanes than 95.
maybe that's why all the ones I've ridden seem slow.... owners running the wrong fuel?
Unless I'm mad... all the LC manuals I checked say =95 and nothing else, my old hex head is also 95 and nothing else (unless you want to go backwards and are stuck somewhere out in the sticks and nothing else available).
Interesting find coz I was confident the TC ran 95 too, but checking three manuals today (as I suggest in the post two above) I agree with you - they all seem to say 98. So the change at Esso recently and the fact shell already did 99 means little excuse to run the wrong stuff and owners should get a marked lift in go if anyone's been running them on ordinary stuff.
I still don't know how but my K1300 swapped maps straightaway after filling with a tank full of 99.... as I drove off the forecourt it was a different bike with 10 to 15% more go everywhere and far smoother. It was almost as if it detected the better fuel just turning on the key. It started better, had a totally different sound, idled differently, and then ran totally differently as soon as I pulled off the forecourt
Unless I'm mad... all the LC manuals I checked say =95 and nothing else, my old hex head is also 95 and nothing else (unless you want to go backwards and are stuck somewhere out in the sticks and nothing else available).
Interesting find coz I was confident the TC ran 95 too, but checking three manuals today (as I suggest in the post two above) I agree with you - they all seem to say 98. So the change at Esso recently and the fact shell already did 99 means little excuse to run the wrong stuff and owners should get a marked lift in go if anyone's been running them on ordinary stuff.
I still don't know how but my K1300 swapped maps straightaway after filling with a tank full of 99.... as I drove off the forecourt it was a different bike with 10 to 15% more go everywhere and far smoother. It was almost as if it detected the better fuel just turning on the key. It started better, had a totally different sound, idled differently, and then ran totally differently as soon as I pulled off the forecourt
Certainly for diesel, and maybe so for petrol,
Aftermarket additives are cheaper than paying for V max or similar at the pump
I used to run a bog standard soot burner with boggo supermarket diesel & two shots of Miller cetane booster,
was cheaper than putting vmax diesel ( or whatever they call it) in the tank
Aftermarket additives are cheaper than paying for V max or similar at the pump
I used to run a bog standard soot burner with boggo supermarket diesel & two shots of Miller cetane booster,
was cheaper than putting vmax diesel ( or whatever they call it) in the tank
I read about "millers" on a ford forum.... they mentioned as if everyone in the world knew what it was... (I'd never heard of it), got a mate to get some and he's shocked how much better his tractor engine'd car runs on the stuff
I has some shell discount tokens so bought the posh tractor fuel for my dads car when it needed filling up.... even my mum (who doesn't drive) could notice how much better it felt and sounded.... huge change
Well Shell certainly think their premium petrol is 99 RON - New Shell V-Power unleaded is a 99RON octane fuel. By comparison, regular Shell unleaded is 95RON. New Shell ... 12 Shell V-Power unleaded with 99 RON
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67000 mile on gs in 4 half years , 100,000 in 6 years on r1100rsse waffle waffle let me guess small d**k
I read in my r1200Gsa Handbook to use (E 5) Super unleaded, that's okay in most major cities, where garage forecourt choices are plentiful, but as soon as venturing North into the NC 500 areas, all that is diminished as
(E 5) unleaded or worse, (E 10) unleaded.
It is all that can be found anywhere at Northern Pumps. What to do?, well for me i'm glad its a large tank. Fill once and hope to return still with slightly less.
(E 5) unleaded or worse, (E 10) unleaded.
It is all that can be found anywhere at Northern Pumps. What to do?, well for me i'm glad its a large tank. Fill once and hope to return still with slightly less.
A brief window of opportunity turned up around 2020 when Shell and Esso finally made a UK fuel that met the requirements for the twin cam R1200's and the K1300's - all of which should be fed >98 Octane fuels - before that the highest available was 97, and its not enough to trip the 2010 to 2013 bikes on to the performance map they are meant to use all the time...
BP have never made one that will work - but their 97 super unleaded is now the best fuel we get - it still smells and runs like petrol - whereas the other two sell something more akin to jazzed up water that does almost nothing
Asda which used to sell one of the lowest ethanol infected fuels do not sell anything other than 95% octane dishwater these days
And no air cooled R1200 was ever meant to run on Ethanol crap fuels (and that's the same situation for the K1300s)
Tesco's super unleaded is 99 RON
the advent of budget bad for the bike, bad for the planet Ethanol infected fuels, morphed into utter piss with 6% of the energy missing - so vehicles without forced aspiration lose out big time...
most cars now have low pressure turbo's and the ethanol junk helps with knock control allowing them to run high compression, low boost engines (that self destruct mostly due to plated bores failing and LSPI from burning oil as they fall apart with their chocolate pistons), before they destruct they work around the efficiency loss of low energy density junk fuels
fortunately to make sure many engines die, some crooks at Ford, PSA, VAG and Vaxuhall put the cam belt inside the engine "for efficiency" allowing the Ethanol contaminated engine oil to rot the belt and destroy the engine... meanwhile farmers get rich and the planet has more wars as fields are used for fuel and not food - all part of their plan
most cars now have low pressure turbo's and the ethanol junk helps with knock control allowing them to run high compression, low boost engines (that self destruct mostly due to plated bores failing and LSPI from burning oil as they fall apart with their chocolate pistons), before they destruct they work around the efficiency loss of low energy density junk fuels
fortunately to make sure many engines die, some crooks at Ford, PSA, VAG and Vaxuhall put the cam belt inside the engine "for efficiency" allowing the Ethanol contaminated engine oil to rot the belt and destroy the engine... meanwhile farmers get rich and the planet has more wars as fields are used for fuel and not food - all part of their plan
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