sopwith camel
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PPS Cheers Chad for the advice / reassurance. May well drop you a pm after the weekend once I've had a better inspection with the wheel off / seal removed.
Cheers...
BTW: for what it's worth, I stop driving the rear wheel in gear on the centre stand. Everybody take 5 - smoke 'em if you've got 'em...
Cheers...
BTW: for what it's worth, I stop driving the rear wheel in gear on the centre stand. Everybody take 5 - smoke 'em if you've got 'em...
elevensies
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Please don't be so touchy, I'm just asking for someone to explain why, and so far, no one has. Saying it's a BAD IDEA doesn't count.
As for BMW saying to switch off the engine before deploying the centre stand, I would suggest that it is to safeguard against someone knocking it into gear while alongside the bike trying to get it on it's stand.
If you have heard the noise it makes while running it on the centre stand, then you must have either tried it yourself or witnessed it, but I think you will find that it is "driveline shunt" caused by the firing intervals of a twin and all of the free-play in the drive train.
dancata
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Please don't be so touchy, I'm just asking for someone to explain why, and so far, no one has. Saying it's a BAD IDEA doesn't count.
As for BMW saying to switch off the engine before deploying the centre stand, I would suggest that it is to safeguard against someone knocking it into gear while alongside the bike trying to get it on it's stand.
If you have heard the noise it makes while running it on the centre stand, then you must have either tried it yourself or witnessed it, but I think you will find that it is "driveline shunt" caused by the firing intervals of a twin and all of the free-play in the drive train.
I believe it has to do with the u-joints not being aligned or so, or being way to bent and this makes things to rub in there. Or the shaft drive maybe rubs against it's housing. Maybe someone will post that picture that explains it all, I don't find it.
Dan.
motobiker
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Not touchy at all chap..
think you're reading a little too much into what I've said.
After all... it's not my bike.
I've had one of these bikes for 13years.. and in all that time. I've had ONE breakdown.. due to a dead hall sensor. And ONE near breakdown.. HT Leads. Rode home 40 miles on one cylinder. and very 'interesting' it was.. but I digress.
Apart from that.. nothing. and why? my bikes haven't exactly been mollycoddled.. they've always lived outside in all weathers.
I'll tell you why.. I read the owners manual. And I read most carefully everything thats been said about these bikes since 1997 when I bought my first one.
When a lot of people who know a damn sight more than I ever will say 'DON'T DO IT'
I pay attention.. and don't.
I come on this forum and read some of the problems people have and apart from 'bad luck' which is I guess the biggest cause of problems.. the other factor that figures in a hell of a lot of breakdowns is USER ERROR. Guys who do something to their bikes... usually ignoring completely what the owners manual says.. and then somewhere down the line have a breakdown because of it.
I really don't know nor do i really care what damage running the bike in gear with the back wheel in the air might do. The owners manual has nothing to say on the matter.. probably because there's no reason to do it and it never occurred to them that some idiot would.
you think its fine.. great. you do it.
btw.. I know what it sounds like because a few years back I went round to see a chap with an 850GS i know.. who was changing his starter motor.. fitting one of them posh Mitsubishi ones.. and I wanted to see how it was done. when it was done and dusted he started the bike... it was in gear... you never saw someone move so fast to hit the kill switch as he did.. the noise the shaft made was diabolical.
he had to go sit down to calm his nerves.
think you're reading a little too much into what I've said.
After all... it's not my bike.
I've had one of these bikes for 13years.. and in all that time. I've had ONE breakdown.. due to a dead hall sensor. And ONE near breakdown.. HT Leads. Rode home 40 miles on one cylinder. and very 'interesting' it was.. but I digress.
Apart from that.. nothing. and why? my bikes haven't exactly been mollycoddled.. they've always lived outside in all weathers.
I'll tell you why.. I read the owners manual. And I read most carefully everything thats been said about these bikes since 1997 when I bought my first one.
When a lot of people who know a damn sight more than I ever will say 'DON'T DO IT'
I pay attention.. and don't.
I come on this forum and read some of the problems people have and apart from 'bad luck' which is I guess the biggest cause of problems.. the other factor that figures in a hell of a lot of breakdowns is USER ERROR. Guys who do something to their bikes... usually ignoring completely what the owners manual says.. and then somewhere down the line have a breakdown because of it.
I really don't know nor do i really care what damage running the bike in gear with the back wheel in the air might do. The owners manual has nothing to say on the matter.. probably because there's no reason to do it and it never occurred to them that some idiot would.
you think its fine.. great. you do it.
btw.. I know what it sounds like because a few years back I went round to see a chap with an 850GS i know.. who was changing his starter motor.. fitting one of them posh Mitsubishi ones.. and I wanted to see how it was done. when it was done and dusted he started the bike... it was in gear... you never saw someone move so fast to hit the kill switch as he did.. the noise the shaft made was diabolical.
he had to go sit down to calm his nerves.
ciderman gs
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i think you may find that a uj will run up to 30 degrees out of line it just needs to phased 1150gs no fixed double spline gsa fixed double spline so if you take your gs rear end off then you need to make sure the uj's are phased or it will lock up/destroy itself
all mytoys are still in my pram
all mytoys are still in my pram
i think you may find that a uj will run up to 30 degrees out of line it just needs to phased 1150gs no fixed double spline gsa fixed double spline so if you take your gs rear end off then you need to make sure the uj's are phased or it will lock up/destroy itself
all mytoys are still in my pram
Cheers, I think I see what you are saying, and yes, I knew the GS/GSA splined shafts were different.
So......... are you saying that if you run a GS with an incorrectly assembled drive shaft, i.e. an unphased drive shaft, it will destroy itself? I would have thought that if this is the case, then it would come to a sticky end anyway whether it was loaded or unloaded.
True, best place for toys are in the pram, otherwise you don't get to play with them again
All I want is a definitive reasoned and knowledgeable engineering reason why. I can think it through and analyse why and what happens if, (because I worked in engineering for almost 40 years and I have seen plenty of wrecked UJs for various reasons), but I can't accept it just because someone has heard something somewhere at some time in the past.
ciderman gs
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the paralever bearing cannotbe ruined by running the bike in gear on the stand because they are a preloaded taper bearing so are designed to move through an extensive vertical plane at least 360 degrees but are really shit at moving through horizontal degrees so unless the bike falls over they will be ok and never is a good reason to do it 
just use common sense not heresay
definition of expert ex is a has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure
and never is a good reason to do it just use common sense not heresay
definition of expert ex is a has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure
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motobiker
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I love this forum.
sopwith camel
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Now this brings a smile to my face... despite the abuse my GSA took in Morocco and the consequent fd issues my GSA still carried me and my kit home from Morocco. Gotta respect that.
Lassie eat your heart out...
Got more than I bargained for on this thread - loving this forum
chad
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yup a weird but lovable bunch of twats hereNow this brings a smile to my face... despite the abuse my GSA took in Morocco and the consequent fd issues my GSA still carried me and my kit home from Morocco. Gotta respect that.
Lassie eat your heart out...
Got more than I bargained for on this thread - loving this forum
If I'm not allowed to run my 1150GS in gear on the centre stand because it will cause damage does that also mean that I shouldn't get the bike airbourne at high speeds on a regular basis over lovely yumpy roads?
It's just that I've been doing that on and off for 59,000 miles now and I need to know if it will cause damage.
Thank you in anticipation of your help
It's just that I've been doing that on and off for 59,000 miles now and I need to know if it will cause damage.
Thank you in anticipation of your help
If I'm not allowed to run my 1150GS in gear on the centre stand because it will cause damage does that also mean that I shouldn't get the bike airbourne at high speeds on a regular basis over lovely yumpy roads?
It's just that I've been doing that on and off for 59,000 miles now and I need to know if it will cause damage.
Thank you in anticipation of your help
Have you been playing on the A68
Blind Summit, gotta be one of the best signs out there
yup a weird but lovable bunch of twats here
tossers, the word is tossers!!!
Pedantic? Moi?
=Packer;2282281shouldn't get the bike airbourne at high speeds on a regular basis over lovely yumpy roads?
It's just that I've been doing that on and off for 59,000 miles now and I need to know if it will cause damage.
I expect that is equal to a total of 45 seconds airbourne over those 59,000 miles.
I expect that is equal to a total of 45 seconds airbourne over those 59,000 miles.
I see a business opportunity for 1" over size torque arms laser cut with a TT logo
chad
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.......I see a business opportunity for 1" over size sexy torque arms laser cut with a TT logo
I expect that is equal to a total of 45 seconds airbourne over those 59,000 miles.
It might be as much as a minute
Some good yumpy roads up here.But would you run your engine with the bike on the centre stand at 7,000rpm for a minute?
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