Fork Stanchion recall?

[Grim Reaper]

Just returned from Cannon. Had the check. Nothing to do. All good. Apparently i was the first on the "Campaign" for cannons, which begun today. although the workshop haven't received the tooling yet .

I think this is wrong (providing the model has a manufacturing date within the specified range- you don't say if this is the case) The service bulletin states that something will be done whether there is a gap or not, not that nothing needs to be done if there's no gap. Either a collar must be fitted or a new set of forks with the collar already fitted, there's no "no work required" option.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

How do you think 'anti wheelie' or whatever other terms may be used, normally works?

Sensors on weight transfer and suspension position to detect the wheelie before it happens and then reduce torque to prevent it.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Sensors on weight transfer and suspension position to detect the wheelie before it happens and then reduce torque to prevent it.

Can we keep it on topic, discuss sensors and wheelies on another fresh thread

 

[Skid06]

anti wheelie uses gyros..normally 6 axis to keep the bike on the ground...you can dial in how much you want the front to lift from 1-10 on some exotica, the LC doesn't have this..plus on the LC its switchable ABS, so you can wheelie all you want till you snap those spindly forks ...sorry Johnny

 

[crotchrocket]

The 2017 model has anti-wheelie. The older models have wheel speed sensor based traction control, which stops wheelies.

My bike is still undergoing major surgery, haven't seen it for two weeks, but have asked Vines to check the stanchions whilst it's there.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Can we keep it on topic, discuss sensors and wheelies on another fresh thread

Just answering the question sorry boss

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Fork Stanchions

Just found this on ebay

Not pretty, especially the fork tops

Have a look here.... rest of bike looks undamaged (look at crashbars) and minimal cracks to beak and a lost screen and look at the rad pics, covered in oil and the rest of the bike is spotless and no signs of offroading, real mint bike (pre whatever incident befell the rider)



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2015-BMW-...743813?hash=item4666395405:g:80cAAOSw~XpZURw5

 

[fred_jb]

I think this is wrong (providing the model has a manufacturing date within the specified range- you don't say if this is the case) The service bulletin states that something will be done whether there is a gap or not, not that nothing needs to be done if there's no gap. Either a collar must be fitted or a new set of forks with the collar already fitted, there's no "no work required" option.

The way I read the service bulletin was that if there is any deformation of the existing tubes, then they will be replaced with new ones to which the fix has been or will be applied. If no deformation they are supposed to apply the fix to the existing tubes.

 

[Apex]

This issue needs some very clear clarity, or is clarity clear by default?

Anyway, I know me very well. I've spent my entire working life fixing stuff, all sorts, and I just know this will now be on my mind every time I ride the bike. That's bad. Really bad news.

I love to wheelie when I'm out and the GS is great at it. But have I ever landed the bike harder than soft, yes. But I've never worried until now that I might be breaking the thing. Built to drop bombs on, or so I thought.

The bike is in Geneva with a leaking fork seal as I write. It might just be a seal, but it might not be. That bike had me and my lovely lady, loaded up, riding RDGA passes early June, with 1000ft drops just there. Right there. I need to be 100% confident the bike is going to stay in one piece. Not 99%. 100%. This issue has been known to BMW for a couple of years it seems and that's really bad form.

No product can be 100% reliable when it's made up of 100's of parts, but when you see a fault that could take a life you have a moral obligation to fix it before it does.

I'm very content that some of you guys might tell me to man up, but until I see a fix applied (to my bike) that makes engineering sense, the bike will lose the affection I have for it.

If there's some 'manning' up to do, point a finger where it should point --> BMW.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

This issue needs some very clear clarity, or is clarity clear by default?

Anyway, I know me very well. I've spent my entire working life fixing stuff, all sorts, and I just know this will now be on my mind every time I ride the bike. That's bad. Really bad news.

I love to wheelie when I'm out and the GS is great at it. But have I ever landed the bike harder than soft, yes. But I've never worried until now that I might be breaking the thing. Built to drop bombs on, or so I thought.

The bike is in Geneva with a leaking fork seal as I write. It might just be a seal, but it might not be. That bike had me and my lovely lady, loaded up, riding RDGA passes early June, with 1000ft drops just there. Right there. I need to be 100% confident the bike is going to stay in one piece. Not 99%. 100%. This issue has been known to BMW for a couple of years it seems and that's really bad form.

No product can be 100% reliable when it's made up of 100's of parts, but when you see a fault that could take a life you have a moral obligation to fix it before it does.

I'm very content that some of you guys might tell me to man up, but until I see a fix applied (to my bike) that makes engineering sense, the bike will lose the affection I have for it.

If there's some 'manning' up to do, point a finger where it should point --> BMW.

Did you see the bike for sale on ebay, that I posted in post#207 ??

 

[Engineer]

I am on my 4th 1200GS, second LC and I ain't bovvered in the slightest - I always take a look at the forks when I am cleaning the bike (which is frequently ).

I will carry on as normal enjoying this utterly brilliant bike - just give you forks a quick visual check before you ride and carry on as normal until your dealer does the mod - chill, simples

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I am on my 4th 1200GS, second LC and I ain't bovvered in the slightest - I always take a look at the forks when I am cleaning the bike (which is frequently ).

I will carry on as normal enjoying this utterly brilliant bike - just give you forks a quick visual check before you ride and carry on as normal until your dealer does the mod - chill, simples

So, what are you thoughts on this, sir

(Link on Post~207)

 

[Engineer]

So, what are you thoughts on this, sir

(Link on Post~207)

My thoughts are these:

1. It's a broken front end on a GSA.
2. Probably taken a severe clattering on the front end at some point.

Hmmmmm... no more thoughts than that at the moment.

 

[Deleted account Aberdeen GS]

Engineer is such a twat , he'll never grasp the seriousness of this issue. (Why not ignore him rather than trying to reason with him?)

It's a good job BMW do.......


They have announced that every GS (worldwide now) is to be inspected.

(As some wise sage earlier in this thread pointed out .... it would have been cheaper to design it properly in the first place than incur the cost of a worldwide inspection)

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

My thoughts are these:

1. It's a broken front end on a GSA.
2. Probably taken a severe clattering on the front end at some point.

Hmmmmm... no more thoughts than that at the moment.

I doubt it has had a frontal collision...........you need to look harder at it

If you look at the other parts, it's mint and without damage

The Telelever is fine
The shock is fine
The rads are fine
The crashbars and heads are fine
The pannier frames are fine
The handlebars are fine, as is the dash and associated plastic
Lower fork tubes and wheel are fine, tyre isn't deformed and the front black mudguard is completely undamaged

So I doubt it's had a heavy frontal crash, the rads are covered in the oil from the forks, parting

Look at the other pics, on this link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2015-BMW-...743813?hash=item4666395405:g:80cAAOSw~XpZURw5

The rest of the bike don't suggest crash damage from an accident

 

[andylel]

So, what are you thoughts on this, sir

(Link on Post~207)

Something about that picture doesn't add up for me. The fork tops look different left and right for a start. Secondly, if that had happened 'in flight' I would expect to see more damage to the sides of the machine but also to the bottom end of the engine and certainly for the guard to be ripped of. I might be talking rubbish (wouldn't be the first time) but they are my thoughts.

 

[Engineer]

Engineer is such a twat , he'll never grasp the seriousness of this issue. (Why not ignore him rather than trying to reason with him?)

It's a good job BMW do.......


They have announced that every GS (worldwide now) is to be inspected.

(As some wise sage earlier pointed out .... it would have been cheaper to design it properly in the first place than incur the cost of a worldwide inspection)

I see the shrink let you back on the streets - care in the community has a lot to answer for.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Engineer is such a twat , he'll never grasp the seriousness of this issue. (Why not ignore him rather than trying to reason with him?)

It's a good job BMW do.......


They have announced that every GS (worldwide now) is to be inspected.

(As some wise sage earlier pointed out .... it would have been cheaper to design it properly in the first place than incur the cost of a worldwide inspection)

Yo Stuart W / Reggie P, how's it going

How's the career change and move up north going? Seriously, I've missed you and want to hear your news

Andres

 

[Engineer]

I doubt it has had a frontal collision

If you look at the other parts, it's mint and without damage

The Telelever is fine
The shock is fine
The rads are fine
The crashbars and heads are fine
The pannier frames are fine
The handlebars are fine, as is the dash and associated plastic

So I doubt it's had a heavy frontal crash, the rads are covered in the oil from the forks, parting

Look at the other pics, on this link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2015-BMW-...743813?hash=item4666395405:g:80cAAOSw~XpZURw5

The rest of the bike don't suggest crash damage from an accident

But you are still speculating because you don't know the full facts - the truth is often surprisingly different - but if you are a worrier there is no changing the way one is made

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Something about that picture doesn't add up for me.

The fork tops look different left and right for a start.

Secondly, if that had happened 'in flight' I would expect to see more damage to the sides of the machine but also to the bottom end of the engine and certainly for the guard to be ripped of.

I might be talking rubbish (wouldn't be the first time) but they are my thoughts.

Fork tops are still attached to the handlebars, one chrome tube (right) is missing