France June 2010

Jazbee

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Planning to do a bit of touring in France this coming June, will have 16 days but 5 of those in Nice to meet the missus who's flying over. I've only hired a bike in France before but never toured. I really fancy doing the D-Day landing beaches / museums before heading south, there are some good guide books on this on Amazon. Want to avoid motorways except when time is limited (for a ferry crossing home etc) I'm in Scotland so will probably get the ferry from Newcastle to Holland or Hull to Zeebrugge. I know that many of you would have done similar in the past so any advice on possible routes and accom tips would be appreciated. Might want to cross into Germany on the way back for a few days?
Thanks guys....any suggestions and tips appreciated:thumb2
 
I did the Normandy Beaches in August. I got a load of waypoints off another site and then added some of my own from the Holt's Pocket Guide to the Beaches.

It has some GPS coords in but they aren't that accurate or numerous.
 
if you want to go to Normandy then get an overnight crossing from Portsmouth. LDLines is usually pretty reasonable. It's a long way from Zeebrugge to Caen and the terrain is not the most interesting. Probably save some cash as petrol is cheaper in the UK and the ferry will be less too.

Plot a route from Normandy to Nice via the Massif Central, Millau, Cevennes. Day trips from Nice to the Maritime Alps & Italian Riviera. Return to port via Alps, Burgundy and the upper reaches of the Seine.

Accommodation in Nice will be expensive. Elsewhere it can be relatively cheap, especially if you don't mind using the glorified portakabins such as Formel1 or Premiere Classe. If you want a bit of character then look at the Logis de France group or the B&B section of http://www.gites-de-france.com/gites/uk/bed_breakfasts
When travelling solo I prefer these chain hotels as they are used to solo travellers (business people). They don't get huffy about 1 person using a table in the restaurant nor mind if you pop down to Carrefour for a picnic to eat in your room.

I wouldn't bother booking ahead, except perhaps for Nice. That way you can move to a different area if the weather is bad or stay for an extra night to explore further. Tourist offices will find & book somewhere for you. If you have a wifi device then there are many hotspots (most McDonalds for example).
 
Some fellow tossers have various accommodation en route south. I've stayed at both of these and they're bloody excellent value and firiendly too

Check out
http://www.maisonlaudiere.com/ This is north and handy as a base for d-day etc dont forget the bayeux tapestry though!

Then on the way south http://www.la-janais.com/ This is a quite rural location and excellent for star gazing

Oradour sur Glane is well worth a visit too. Its a very poignant place where the SS massacred the locals in 1943. There's a few threads about it on here but Google is, as ever, your friend.

By the way, I have no connections with either B&B and am just a happy customer!
 
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Heres a linky for any reference books you may need.
The list of titles covering the areas you are visiting are pretty much endless. Prices are good too with occasional special offers.
The "Battleground" series are extremely useful.
Have a good trip. :thumb
http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/
 
Jazbee

FWIW mate the Gorge De Tarn is well worth a visit on your way south as is the Grand Canyon Du Verdun fantastic roads and scenery fantastic, as has been said you can also take in the Millau Bridge en route to Nice.

What ever You do Enjoy it

Norrie
 
I have PM'd you a link to download the waypoints for the DDay landing sites along with a word document with a description of each waypoint and what is there to see which I think you will find useful ;)

Plot a route from Normandy to Nice via the Massif Central, Millau,

Some routes for the Central Massif lovingly documented at www.motomassif.info includes routes down to the Millau and many routes in the region of the Volcanos such as Puy Mary, Puy de Dome, Rocamadour,


Oradour sur Glane is well worth a visit too. Its a very poignant place where the SS massacred the locals in 1943. There's a few threads about it on here but Google is, as ever, your friend.

We are a stones throw from Oradour-Sur-Glane if you are passing it is well worth a visit very different to the D-Day landing sites of northern France.
 
Planning to do a bit of touring in France this coming June, will have 16 days but 5 of those in Nice to meet the missus who's flying over. I've only hired a bike in France before but never toured. I really fancy doing the D-Day landing beaches / museums before heading south, there are some good guide books on this on Amazon. Want to avoid motorways except when time is limited (for a ferry crossing home etc) I'm in Scotland so will probably get the ferry from Newcastle to Holland or Hull to Zeebrugge. I know that many of you would have done similar in the past so any advice on possible routes and accom tips would be appreciated. Might want to cross into Germany on the way back for a few days?
Thanks guys....any suggestions and tips appreciated:thumb2

It's a pain living in Jockland if you want to get to north western France. As you have never toured France it's easy to forget how big the place is.

You have got 16 days, less 5 that you want to spend in Nice, with your wife. I make that 11 days spare. I am not sure how long it takes you to get to Hull / Newcastle and then how long the crossing is, I guess it is overnight?

What do you plan for your return crossing home, back on the same ferry crossing?

I only ask as Scotland to Hull is what? Half a day? Plus the overnight = 1.5 days ish. Return trip the same, I assume = 3 days all in. That leaves you about 8 days, maybe nine maximum for your jaunt to the Normandy beaches, then across to Nice, back up to Benelux (possibly via Germany).

You will spend, say, half a day getting from the ferry port to Normandy and, to make it worthwhile, a day looking around as you want to see the beaches and the museums. Let's say you are therefore left with six and a half, maybe seven and a half days for the rest. You do want to avoid motorways though, so your average speed will drop quite significantly. Again, it's doable.

Now the questions, so we can help you best:

(a) Do my guestimates above look right? If not, correct them, no offence.

(b) What mileage do you want to do each day? Do you think 150 miles is a long way? That is not a rude question. I know people who think that it is, only because they only use their bike for hour jaunts within 50 miles of their house on the occasional Sunday.

(c) What time do you want to set off each morning and stop in the evening?

(d) Camping or hotels?

(e) 'Safe' chain type hotels in the middle of major towns or happy in the countryside?

(f) Do you want to stop for an hour for morning coffee, then lunch and another hour mid-afternoon? Do you want to stop to take pictures?

(g) Where do you want to go to in Germany and why? For instance, do you want to see Rhine castles, or the Porsche museum or, perhaps, the 'Ring? If so, that will take a day out on the way back.

Look forward to your news; then let's see what we can do.

In the meantime. To give you an idea of the distances and the rough direction, to take in the invasion beaches, Nice and the 'Ring here is something knocked up in two seconds using Mapsource. No great thought, just enough to get an idea of the rough shape / distance of a possible route. It's about 2,100 miles. Probably longer if you want to hit some 'proper' motorbiking roads.

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(b) What mileage do you want to do each day? Do you think 150 miles is a long way? That is not a rude question. I know people who think that it is, only because they only use their bike for hour jaunts within 50 miles of their house on the occasional Sunday.

Here is a possible example of what I meant:

I agree that anything is doable - but would it make a holiday for you?
241 miles in a day would be way too much for me.
I would program in a second, shorter route of 150-170 miles just in case the weather is slow to clear in the morning.
Just had a look at my PERFECT day of riding in the Picos de Europa in Spain this September - Mapsource says 151 miles - 5hrs 42 mins (because of the low average speed programmed in). Out at 09.30 back at 18:30. Lots of stops for piccies, coffe, lunch, impromptu natural breaks and exploring the oldest Roman bridge in Europe.

From this thread: http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214157

As you can see it's different strokes for different blokes, so it is difficult for a third party to guess what is reasonable for somebody else. If, like Beemerboy 9, you want to cruise and schmooz (which is fine) you ain't going to be moving forwards quickly.

Me? Living in central London, I don't bother to get my bike out for much less than 200 miles. From home to the Cotswolds and back, down reasonably countrified roads, is over 250 miles, which can be done easily with two decent tea breaks and a good stop for lunch.
 
Thanks

Thanks guys for all suggestions, all excellent and much more food for thought:thumb
Very good points on the planning side Wapping and will go through these:beerjug:
 
It's a pain living in Jockland if you want to get to north western France. As you have never toured France it's easy to forget how big the place is. It sure is..that's why I'd rather be doing the miles on the continent than riding to the south coast for a ferry

You have got 16 days, less 5 that you want to spend in Nice, with your wife. I make that 11 days spare. I am not sure how long it takes you to get to Hull / Newcastle and then how long the crossing is, I guess it is overnight? Now upped it to 19 days, crossing is overnight

What do you plan for your return crossing home, back on the same ferry crossing? doesn't need to be

I only ask as Scotland to Hull is what? Half a day? Plus the overnight = 1.5 days ish. Return trip the same, I assume = 3 days all in. That leaves you about 8 days, maybe nine maximum for your jaunt to the Normandy beaches, then across to Nice, back up to Benelux (possibly via Germany).

You will spend, say, half a day getting from the ferry port to Normandy and, to make it worthwhile, a prefer 2 days hereday looking around as you want to see the beaches and the museums. Let's say you are therefore left with six and a half, maybe seven and a half days for the rest. You do want to avoid motorways though, so your average speed will drop quite significantly. Again, it's doable.

Now the questions, so we can help you best:

(a) Do my guestimates above look right? If not, correct them, no offence.

(b) What mileage do you want to do each day? Do you think 150 miles is a long way? That is not a rude question. I know people who think that it is, only because they only use their bike for hour jaunts within 50 miles of their house on the occasional Sunday. my average day out up here is 300 miles, big miles don't bother me but I do want to see around, no use just hammering down fast roads?

(c) What time do you want to set off each morning and stop in the evening? 8am to 7pm

(d) Camping or hotels? hotels / B&B to save carrying tents etc

(e) 'Safe' chain type hotels in the middle of major towns or happy in the countryside? fine with either

(f) Do you want to stop for an hour for morning coffee, then lunch and another hour mid-afternoon? Do you want to stop to take pictures? Def want stops, so average speed would be low

(g) Where do you want to go to in Germany and why? For instance, do you want to see Rhine castles, or the Porsche museum or, perhaps, the 'Ring? If so, that will take a day out on the way back. Only ever been to major cities in Germany, thought it would be good to see small towns and rural areas, no real reason, don't care about the ring

Look forward to your news; then let's see what we can do.

In the meantime. To give you an idea of the distances and the rough direction, to take in the invasion beaches, Nice and the 'Ring here is something knocked up in two seconds using Mapsource. No great thought, just enough to get an idea of the rough shape / distance of a possible route. It's about 2,100 miles. Probably longer if you want to hit some 'proper' motorbiking roads. Thanks for that, have a Zumo and mapsource so will look at some miles planning

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See Above.......Thanks Wapping:thumb
 
if you want to go to Normandy then get an overnight crossing from Portsmouth. LDLines is usually pretty reasonable. It's a long way from Zeebrugge to Caen and the terrain is not the most interesting. Probably save some cash as petrol is cheaper in the UK and the ferry will be less too.

Plot a route from Normandy to Nice via the Massif Central, Millau, Cevennes. Day trips from Nice to the Maritime Alps & Italian Riviera. Return to port via Alps, Burgundy and the upper reaches of the Seine.

Accommodation in Nice will be expensive. Elsewhere it can be relatively cheap, especially if you don't mind using the glorified portakabins such as Formel1 or Premiere Classe. If you want a bit of character then look at the Logis de France group or the B&B section of http://www.gites-de-france.com/gites/uk/bed_breakfasts
When travelling solo I prefer these chain hotels as they are used to solo travellers (business people). They don't get huffy about 1 person using a table in the restaurant nor mind if you pop down to Carrefour for a picnic to eat in your room.

I wouldn't bother booking ahead, except perhaps for Nice. That way you can move to a different area if the weather is bad or stay for an extra night to explore further. Tourist offices will find & book somewhere for you. If you have a wifi device then there are many hotspots (most McDonalds for example).

Thanks Wessie. Unfortunately, Portsmouth is 608 miles from my door. Thanks for the accom links, looks promising:thumb
 
OK

Thanks for filling in the gaps.

19 days is plenty for what you want to do.

19 days
-3 days total travelling to arrive at / return home from Dutch coast.
16 days
-1 day to get from Dutch coast to Normandy
15 days
-2 days in Normandy
13 days
-3 days to get from Normandy to Nice on nice roads (this we can work on)
10 days
-5 days in Nice
5 days to get back up to the coast from Nice (this we can work on)

In total from Normandy back to the Dutch coast, via Nice, you have eight motoring days, which is plenty. You could even manage a day off somewhere and still not struggle.

Some of the best bits of Germany are:

The German / Austrian Alps. Probably better done on a specific holiday.

The Rhine / Mosel bit. You could go that way home.

The Black Forest. Again, you could go that way home.

Maps? Life is easier with good maps. Have a look at the sticky about Michelin maps for France, for instance. The Michelin 726 map of France will help you no end when plotting non-motorway routes across a very big country. Try to follow the Bis 'Tourist' roads. You will make good progress along some great, well signposted, roads.

When you have roughed something out, bung it up here.
 
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Maps? Life is easier with good maps. Have a look at the sticky about Michelin maps for France, for instance. The Michelin 726 map of France will help you no end when plotting non-motorway routes across a very big country. Try to follow the Bis 'Tourist' roads. You will make good progress along some great, well signposted, roads.

When you have roughed something out, bung it up here.

Sounds like a plan....thanks :thumb
 
If you're using wapping's route pm me nearer the time - you're practically riding past my door - maybe ride a stretch with you, lunch at the very least
 
If you're using wapping's route pm me nearer the time - you're practically riding past my door - maybe ride a stretch with you, lunch at the very least

Will do Thanks:thumb

Ferry booked (Hull - Zebrugge) whilst skiving at work this morning :D
MCN discount code for P&O is 9632
Knocks about 5% off which is not bad:thumb2
Now...the maps.
 
You will be passing by my place, within a few miles. Buis les Baronnies. Just east of Montelimar.
www.holiday-provence.co.uk
My number is 0475 28 32 14 in France. You don't have to stay or even visit but if you have any problems I can probably help with the language
 
Thanks

Wapping, thanks for the pointers and maps etc. Had a great time (apart from the almost daily heavy rain storms:eek:) Thornley & Stolzy, took your details with me but never got to pass your place, might be back in the autumn to see some bits I wanted to but missed:thumb
One thing I wasn't looking forward much was the ferry but it was excellent, P&O Hull Zeebrugge, pre-booked the meals and it was top class food, clean and tidy cabins, good staff, bikes well catered for and reasonably priced:beer: Well done P&O
 
Excellent :thumb2

It has been lashing down and very cold in the south of France.... so you just found the wrong weeks.

Glad you enjoyed it.
 


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