Fuel filler cap issues on 2016 GSA with keyless...

[JohnnyBoxer]

Keyless
Good innit
All progress for sure

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Keyless is great. You just need to make sure you give the filler cap a firm snap shut, and you shouldn't have any issues with it. When I first got mine, I used to gently close the filler cap, which could cause issues when trying to open it again, but now it get a firm snap shut every time.

As Nutty says above I was scared of breaking it at the beginning but now give it a firm push down.

 

[Traffic893]

I had the issue on my 2016 GS TE a few months back. The fuel cap just would not open, even after several attempts of ignition on/off try immediately or wait 5 secs. Eventually sorted of its own accord. Been OK since, fingers crossed.

 

[yofi]

As Nutty says above I was scared of breaking it at the beginning but now give it a firm push down.

Yes, in fairness, when I last filled it up my head was somewhere else (was having a bad day), and I don't think I really thought about how I was closing it. I'm usually carefully to lever it closed then push to get the click. Very possibly it caused the issue (though strange how it locked me out then freed up within the space of several rides).

 

[Andi_archer]

Some on the K1600 forum have removed the automatic locking system because of similar issues in the past, I will see if I can find the post.

EDIT
Cant find it right now but heres a thread worth reading for optional opening techniques and a method to remove the two front screws of the surround ring to at least release the cap to gain access
http://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw...834-gtl-exclusive-gas-tank-access-tricks.html

Also an alternate replacement which may or may not work on yours
http://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-k1600-accessories/1333-keyless-gas-cap-pictures.html

 

[Alan R]

I’ve had a similar problem and have a warranty replacement switch being fitted next week. In the interim, the service mechanic greased the bit that catches the tank filler cap - the electronic release catch that is supposed to release when the tank filler cap tab is lifted.
Since that time the problem has not reoccurred.
Whatever the mechanism is that holds or releases the locking tab it doesn’t seem particularly strong and appears at times to be unable to overcome the friction involved in locking/unlocking.
I’m still having mine changed but will then keep it clean and greased to make sure it functions properly.
Alan R

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

I’ve had a similar problem and have a warranty replacement switch being fitted next week. In the interim, the service mechanic greased the bit that catches the tank filler cap - the electronic release catch that is supposed to release when the tank filler cap tab is lifted.
Since that time the problem has not reoccurred.
Whatever the mechanism is that holds or releases the locking tab it doesn’t seem particularly strong and appears at times to be unable to overcome the friction involved in locking/unlocking.
I’m still having mine changed but will then keep it clean and greased to make sure it functions properly.
Alan R

WD40 silicon spray works really good

 

[yofi]

I’ve had a similar problem and have a warranty replacement switch being fitted next week. In the interim, the service mechanic greased the bit that catches the tank filler cap - the electronic release catch that is supposed to release when the tank filler cap tab is lifted.
Since that time the problem has not reoccurred.
Whatever the mechanism is that holds or releases the locking tab it doesn’t seem particularly strong and appears at times to be unable to overcome the friction involved in locking/unlocking.
I’m still having mine changed but will then keep it clean and greased to make sure it functions properly.
Alan R

Good to know, thanks

 

[Ash700]

The only problem with my keyless key, is me! I think I need a brightly coloured key wallet, as the black one provided by the dealer is sometimes hard to see, especially if I put it down on my seat or tank bag. It’s a faff keep putting back in my pocket if I need to unlock/lock another pannier or box. I need a key management strategy.... a bright orange key purse?

 

[BigRedUn]

Two things I wouldn't choose if I was ordering my bike again: keyless and comfort seats.

 

[Istanbulian]

Morning all

Went to fill up the bike for the first time after 280 blissful miles and...fuel filler cap refused to budge. After trying both the short and long process (as detailed in the handbook) multiple times I gave it up as a bad job and called BMW.

The tech I spoke to obviously thought I was a numpty (hardly blame him) and talked me through the process over the phone but all this did was prove it was not user error.

Luckily there was enough fuel to get the bike back to the dealer so it's now with Lind Motorrad in Norwich and will hopefully be sorted for me to ride it home later.

They told me this was the first issue of this kind they had encountered with keyless (bike and ignition working fine but fuel filler cap permanently locked). Anyone else had similar issues? Wondering if the good old fashioned key would have been the more prudent choice. When it happens 1/2 mile from home its no big deal but if it happened whilst away on a trip I would be royally pissed off!

My friend had exactly the same issue in Oz in October 2016 in the Snowy Mountains on his LC GSA; in the end we had to resort to using a Torx drive to release the whole filler cap. Not funny at all and certianly makes you think a key is simply easier and more reliable.

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

My friend had exactly the same issue in Oz in October 2016 in the Snowy Mountains on his LC GSA; in the end we had to resort to using a Torx drive to release the whole filler cap. Not funny at all and certianly makes you think a key is simply easier and more reliable.

Good BMW thinking thats why you have a T25 under the seat..............

 

[Sea Dog]

The only problem with my keyless key, is me! I think I need a brightly coloured key wallet, as the black one provided by the dealer is sometimes hard to see, especially if I put it down on my seat or tank bag. It’s a faff keep putting back in my pocket if I need to unlock/lock another pannier or box. I need a key management strategy.... a bright orange key purse?

Mine resides in my trouser pocket. I have a second, dumb key for the rest, so I'm unlikely to lose my ignition key unless I also lose my trousers. Many others use the same strategy. Genuine BMW keys are available from you dealer for 20 quid - cut using your VIN.

 

[Ash700]

Mine resides in my trouser pocket. I have a second, dumb key for the rest, so I'm unlikely to lose my ignition key unless I also lose my trousers. Many others use the same strategy. Genuine BMW keys are available from you dealer for 20 quid - cut using your VIN.

Yes, I think this is the way forward, I need to get one ASAP. That way, as you say, the main key can stay safely tucked away.

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Mine resides in my trouser pocket. I have a second, dumb key for the rest, so I'm unlikely to lose my ignition key unless I also lose my trousers. Many others use the same strategy. Genuine BMW keys are available from you dealer for 20 quid - cut using your VIN.

+1 on that picked up that tip here, and got 2 cut, very handy indeed.

 

[mikef]

I’ve had a similar problem and have a warranty replacement switch being fitted next week. In the interim, the service mechanic greased the bit that catches the tank filler cap - the electronic release catch that is supposed to release when the tank filler cap tab is lifted.

Same problem with my 2016 GSA. It used to open OK but as you say the sticking tab meant it couldnt close properly. Replaced under warranty eventually. My new 2018 GSA seems to be working OK on this front

As far as I'm concerned, Keyless Ride is the answer to a question nobody is asking. I have had it on my last 2 GSA's but only because stock bikes only existed with Keyless fitted. I normally carry the key in my jacket pocket and I try to remember to close the pocket zip before I set off only yesterday I didnt and the key fell out as I dismounted the bike when I got home. Anyone know what happens if you lose the key whilst you're riding? Does the bike just carry on going or stop when it gets beyond a certain range?

 

[CPJS]

The bike will keep going till it is next turned off, after that you are stuffed.

 

[Sea Dog]

I normally carry the key in my jacket pocket and I try to remember to close the pocket zip before I set off only yesterday I didnt and the key fell out as I dismounted the bike when I got home.

So, presuming you wear motorcycle trousers with zip up pockets, keep it in the trouser pocket that you otherwise never use and leave it there. Mine lives in there all but permanently so the whole losing it or forgetting it thing becomes a non issue. This is where the spare dumb accessory key for Nav, panniers, seat lock, etc, comes in - that's the one in your jacket pocket. Do try to remember to zip up before riding off into the sunset though but, if you do and you lose that accessory key, you can always use the one in your trouser pocket.

 

[the woodster]

When it works it's great.
When it doesn't it's a pain in the arse.

It's let me down twice trying to start but started with the emergency procedure. There was also one occasion when the fuel filler cap would not open despite several start/stop blah blah blah attempts.

Coopers of Tunbridge Wells have ordered me a new fob and they will be recoding my pannier locks.

Basically, faff I didn't need but at least there are some very good suggestions on the thread of how to go around it when stuck in the pissing rain on the side of an Austrian mountain at 0200.