Garmin announces the 2820 GPS for motorcycles

Michael,

guy posted a comment on my site after I published your article, with a tip for your remote control:

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Looks OK to me...
 
Sadly I have changed my mind

I was really looking forward to most likely buying myself a GPS unit to fit on the bike ready for my trip abroad starting in Mid May. Taking in the sight and sounds of France Germany on to Prague then Home via Holland for a rally

Then

During my research that over recent weeks has seen the dismissal of the TomTom Rider and the Quest2 I learn about the 2820 just as I am settling on the 2720

Today I have been trying to find out as much as I can about both units so I can make a decision and its the Bluetooth on the 2820 its so tempting. I use my bike for work as well as pleasure and the Bluetooth would make it so much easier to communicate whilst on the road for work, Also Mr Moore’s comments about how he found the unit to be almost the best ever has tipped the balance

So I am going to wait out until at least they release the UK price of the 2820 so I can make a fairer decision of what to do. (I think it will come in at less than £50 difference if you look at the Dollar price)

So if you peoples see the advertised price of the 2820 in Sterling then please let me know

Ps
Who makes the best paper map of Europe?

Regards

Peter

Sunsets
 
what will the difference in price be between the 2820 and the NAV III
 
Sid Horman said:
Is this the same Garmin that won't return my emails and put me on hold for one hour this morning when I tried to contact them by phone?
Hello Sid:

I think the reason you may have had difficulties contacting Garmin UK product support today is because about half of the team that works in the UK office was in Geneva, Switzerland at the EBACE (European Business Aviation Convention and Exhibition) that is in progress all this week. So, they might be a bit short-staffed - if you can survive until next Monday, perhaps it's best to wait until they are back to full strength in the office.

I enjoyed meeting the Garmin staff - many of them read the forum, and a surprising number are bikers. Most of the staff are quite young - between about 25 and 30. They enjoy the customer contact, and run the UK office on their own, quite independent from the company headquarters in Kansas. I mentioned that many folks here on the forum had nice words to say about the service they had recieved in the UK, and the Garmin staff told me that they do try their best to keep everyone happy - they realize that GPSRs are fairly expensive items, and that owners enjoy getting good service if they have a problem with one.

Below are a few pictures that I took today at this trade show.

Michael

The Garmin Booth


An interesting Gizmo to hold a 296
I wonder if it could be adapted for off-road use?


 
Stu-13 said:
That’s crazy why can’t both rider and pillion lids sync with the 2820, and the phone sync with the 2820 which in turn would link two both lids?
Stu:

I don't know the answer to that question. I suspect it goes something like this: The 2820 GPSR simply acts as a 'network gateway' between the various Bluetooth devices. It connects them all together very well, but it doesn't do anything other than connect them.

So, the analogy is like this: If you went down to the local electronics store, and bought two landline telephones (old fashioned desk telephones), would you be able to connect the two of them together with a wire and then have a conversation from one end to the other? No, because there would be no amplification system in between them. I think the same is true for two headsets (helmets) that are hooked up via the 2820.

I do know that if you have the WCS-1 audio system that is sold by BMW, you can pair one (only) of the helmets with the GPSR, and it will cope with all of the GPSR functions (route guidance, music player, speed camera alerts, phone calls), and you can also pair that same helmet with another WCS-1 helmet, and it will work as an intercom between rider and passenger. But, in this specific case, BMW has designed the helmet to support two Bluetooth sources at the same time.

I have a small over-the-ear Bluetooth headset that is designed for use with a cell phone (you know, the kind that you see every twenty-something wearing on the subway on the way to work in the morning - all looking like they are on their way to a Star Trek audition). I can pair that up with the GPSR and it will function just fine - same as if it was a helmet - but I can't pair two of these things up with each other and use them as walkie-talkies, as you would want if you were setting up a rider to pillion intercom.

I have suggested to Garmin that the explore whether or not the GPSR could support something like this, but I kind of suspect - even with my very limited knowledge of electronics - that the GPSR could not support the hardware end of things, meaning, the switching and amplification. However, that is just a guess.

Michael
 
Mike Werner said:
[A] guy posted a comment on my site after I published your article, with a tip for your remote control...

Oh yeah - I remember that thing - I think it is made by a Dutch company, there was a lot of fanfare about it a couple of years ago. I guess it finally made it into production.

I suppose it would work OK, but my personal take on it is 'why bother'? Garmin provides an infrared remote control free of charge with every 2xxx series GPSR, and even though they say the thing is not waterproof, my experience has been that water (rain, snow, power washers, whatever) has no effect on it at all. I took mine, stuck some Velcro to the bottom of it, then attached it to the clutch master cylinder. It's still there, works just great. I use the zoom in and zoom out buttons, and also the PAGE button - I don't bother with the rest. It's a poor man's BMW Navigator... :D

Michael

Garmin 2xxx Series Remote Control on Moto


 
HMR said:
I never drive on roads with too much traffic.


Wow! You lucky lucky barsteward ! I have to ride an hour to get anywhere where there ISN'T too much traffic.

No speed cameras either in rural Scandaland, I guess.

but..

Shame the 2820 doesn't have a reindeer proximity alert and a "3-metre high snowdrift blocking the road - come back in May" alert though ?
 
gasman said:
Wow! You lucky lucky barsteward ! I have to ride an hour to get anywhere where there ISN'T too much traffic...

If you knew how much gas cost in Scandinavia, you would understand why there isn't much traffic on the roads...

Michael
 
Remote

Pan

The reason for the Dutch gizmo maybe that some of us (sob) do not have a hydralic clutch (good old cable) so can't do what you have done. If I did, I agree, not much point in the gizmo.

Mark
 
Sid Horman said:
Is this the same Garmin that won't return my emails and put me on hold for one hour this morning when I tried to contact them by phone?

Not sure if your comment was serious or sarcastic?

Free of charge and out of warranty Garmin replaced and upgraded a data card, they send me couple of securing bracket screws after I lost mine. Replaced the screen on the SP111 after I managed by mistake to scratch the coating.This occured 3 months ago.
Gareth Thomas is the Customer Service Engineer at Garmin UK ,send him a e-mail and express your dissatisfaction.

Regards
 
I have at last taken the plunge and have ordered a GArmin 2720

I shall only be able to use it in the car as I have no motorcycle mount as nobody has any in stock nor have I decided how to mount on the bike. but they surely must be the easy part

Peter

PS


Have Just received an email from the company that I have placed the order from and they quote Garmin in the email annd say

"Garmin do not recommend this for use on a Motorcycle due to vibration effect on internal hard drive."

HAs anyone a comment on this Please

Peter
 
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I've heard a few negative comments about putting microdrives onto Motorcycles...

I haven't heard from anyone who's actually had one fail, but if your intent is to mount to a bike eventually, I'd likely choose a different one myself...

My Hardisk music player I keep in my pocket for the same reason...

Al...
 
PeterM said:
Have Just received an email from the company that I have placed the order from and they quote Garmin in the email annd say "Garmin do not recommend this for use on a Motorcycle due to vibration effect on internal hard drive."

Hi Peter:

That sounds odd, I thought all the 27xx series GPSRs had solid state memory in them, not microdrives. I was under the impression that only the 26xx series GPSRs had microdrives. I could be wrong, though.

Hold the thing up to your ear and listen to see if you hear some kind of whirring in it. If there is no microdrive, the GPSR will be totally silent.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Hi Peter:

That sounds odd, I thought all the 27xx series GPSRs had solid state memory in them, not microdrives. I was under the impression that only the 26xx series GPSRs had microdrives. I could be wrong, though.

Hold the thing up to your ear and listen to see if you hear some kind of whirring in it. If there is no microdrive, the GPSR will be totally silent.

Michael

I might not even take it out of the box as and when it arrives tommorow

I have done a little reasearch regarding the microdrive and find nothing out except if you click Here They say that they have midified the unit so that it can be used on a bike

just found this quote from the GArmin.com site which I assume means it does not have a MicroDrive

Storage: Internal flash memory comes preloaded with City Navigator™ NT, providing street-level detail and addresses, plus listings of nearby restaurants, hotels, ATMs, etc., throughout the U.S., Canada and Puerto Rico

Peter

ps still cannot find a mount in stock anywhere
 
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Peter, I think there is something quite fishy about what that vendor (Touratech.de) is saying on the web page you referred to in your post above. I don't comprehend at all what they mean when they say 'modified for use on motor bikes'. Maybe it is just a result of a poor translation from the original German text.

I'm pretty sure that Garmin never produced a 'modified' 27xx series of GPSR for any purpose - motorcycles, spaceships, or whatever. I'm also of the understanding that all of the 27xx series GPSRs shipped with flash memory in them, and none ever shipped with microdrives. In other words, the microdrive was only present on some 26xx series GPSRs.

If you are looking for a motorcycle mount for this GPSR, perhaps one of the bigger US based internet vendors might have them in stock. The part is very light (can't weigh more than about 8 ounces, total), and cheap - so, it may be easy enough to just order it from the USA. Note that you would be best off ordering the 'combined kit' that contains the moto bracket and a special moto power cable (petroleum resistant and cold weather flexible) that has bare ends on it. Here's a link to where it is shown on the Garmin website: Motorcycle mounting kit (unit bracket, power/audio cable, screws). The screws that they refer to are four bolts and nuts that are perfectly sized to attach the bracket to a RAM backing plate. FYI, it is exactly that part that I have used on my moto for the last 3 years and last 60,000 km. I used it for the 2650, the 2720, and now I am using it for the 2820. One size fits all - bracket and power cable.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Stu:

I don't know the answer to that question. I suspect it goes something like this: The 2820 GPSR simply acts as a 'network gateway' between the various Bluetooth devices. It connects them all together very well, but it doesn't do anything other than connect them.

So, the analogy is like this: If you went down to the local electronics store, and bought two landline telephones (old fashioned desk telephones), would you be able to connect the two of them together with a wire and then have a conversation from one end to the other? No, because there would be no amplification system in between them. I think the same is true for two headsets (helmets) that are hooked up via the 2820.

I do know that if you have the WCS-1 audio system that is sold by BMW, you can pair one (only) of the helmets with the GPSR, and it will cope with all of the GPSR functions (route guidance, music player, speed camera alerts, phone calls), and you can also pair that same helmet with another WCS-1 helmet, and it will work as an intercom between rider and passenger. But, in this specific case, BMW has designed the helmet to support two Bluetooth sources at the same time.

I have a small over-the-ear Bluetooth headset that is designed for use with a cell phone (you know, the kind that you see every twenty-something wearing on the subway on the way to work in the morning - all looking like they are on their way to a Star Trek audition). I can pair that up with the GPSR and it will function just fine - same as if it was a helmet - but I can't pair two of these things up with each other and use them as walkie-talkies, as you would want if you were setting up a rider to pillion intercom.

I have suggested to Garmin that the explore whether or not the GPSR could support something like this, but I kind of suspect - even with my very limited knowledge of electronics - that the GPSR could not support the hardware end of things, meaning, the switching and amplification. However, that is just a guess.

Michael

It seems that BMW and Garmin have missed a trick, it they could link the pillion in the mix they would do away the the need of a Autocom system and all those wires!
 
I have mentioned that already - it would be very helpful for moto navigation. I don't know if it is a software only issue, or if it would require additional hardware (an audio amplifier of some kind) inside the GPSR.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Peter, I think there is something quite fishy about what that vendor (Touratech.de) is saying on the web page you referred to in your post above. I don't comprehend at all what they mean when they say 'modified for use on motor bikes'. Maybe it is just a result of a poor translation from the original German text.

I believe that TouraTech open the case and fill it with a neutral cure silicone to resist vibration affecting components on the circuit board. The US distributor (Cycoactive) also does it and calls it 'hardening'

Not necessary for road bikes and but may help offroad.
 
I got this from 'the navigation company'

'Garmin Europe is pleased to announce the all-new StreetPilot 2720. This new portable GPS navigator builds on the already successful and award winning Street Pilot 2600 series, with the following main differences: • 3D Automotive-grade, sunlight-readable, colour TFT display. • Shock Resistant solid State Memory, Operates in lower temperatures, suitable for Motorcycle use.'

Which is why I am buying one. It's a bit strange that this isn't mentioned on the product page at Garmin though.
 


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