GARMIN GPSMAP 276C Any good? Where to get one?

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I have decided I wish to get a GPS. Having read a lot of the comments on here. i have ruled out the 60C, as it has too small a memory.. so was looking at the SP3..
Then I saw the GPSMAP 276C. Which seems to have more features.

So here goes.

1) Is it really better than the SP3?

2) Is it bike worthy, ? ( mechanically sound, not going to break, from normal use).

3) Will it track my routes, so i can print out interesting places i went in the UK and europe, and easily share them with other people?

4) Where is the cheapest / reliable place to buy one?

I would appreciated comments and views. Its a lot of cash to lay out, and having seen some people have gone through many models of GPS, before settling i want to try to avoid this.

Cheers..
 
Rocks:

I have been using a 296 on my moto for the last month, after having used a 2650 for the last year, and a SP III for two years before that.

I posted a fairly long report about the differences between the 296 (the aviation model of the 276) and the 26xx at this link, you might want to read it: Garmin 276 or 296 vs. StreetPilot 2610/2650 - Comparison Test

The short answer is that I think the SP 26xx series are better suited to motorcycle touring than the 276. The 276 screen is easier to read in bright sunlight, but that's the only advantage of the 276. In all other respects - software capability, storage media, ease of use, shorter learning curve, etc., etc. - the SP 26xx is a better GPSR for pure automotive (or motorcycle) use.

If you own a boat and plan to use the GPSR a lot on your boat, then think about the 276. If your planned use is automotive only, buy the SP 26xx.

Regarding your specific questions:

1) Is it really better than the SP3? Yes, the same way a Pentium computer with WinXP is better than a 486 with Win95.

2) Is it bike worthy? All three GPSRs mentioned - the SP III, SP 26xx models, and 276/296 - are totally bike-worthy.

3) Will it track my routes, so i can print out interesting places i went in the UK and europe, and easily share them with other people? All three models have this capability. The 276 and 296 will store longer tracks (.g. 2,000 miles, compared to maybe 200 miles for the SP III and SP 26xx), but this should not be a big issue for you.

4) Where is the cheapest / reliable place to buy one? This I can't answer, I don't live in the same country you do.

PanEuropean
 
Will it track my routes, so i can print out interesting places i went in the UK and europe, and easily share them with other people?

The 276C definitely will. Beware of trying to do this with the SPIII

Where is the cheapest / reliable place to buy one?

I've just bought from www.sportextreme.com they were the cheapest I could find.
 
Garfieldus wrote, above (regarding track logs):

"The 276C definitely will. Beware of trying to do this with the SPIII."

I'm not sure what he means when he says this. All of the Garmin automotive GPSR's - the SP III, SP 26xx series - can automatically create a track log that you can download later. The process of creating and downloading the track logs from the SP III and SP 26xx is identical to the process used for the 276 and 296, and the results are similar.

The only difference I know of between these units, so far as track logs are concerned, is that as each new product is released, the capacity of the GPSR to store track log points usually increases. So, if you look at the products by year of release (SP III - 2001; SP 26xx - 2003; 276 and 296 - 2004) you will see a steady increase in the non-vol memory capacity available for track log storage.

Garfieldus, if you are having difficulty with the track log function on a SP III, post a description of the problem you are having here, and maybe one of us can help you out.

PanEuropean
 
Ok, this is what I want to do with my SPIII is...

1. Record a track
2. Save when memory is 99% full
3. Rename the tracklog
4. Clear the active tracklog
5. goto 1

Reload a saved tracklog and retrace it, maybe even in reverse.

All this while on the move and without the use of a pc
 
The 276 has a 10,000 point tracklog and 15 tracks can be saved. It has the trackback feature.

The 2610 has a 2000 point tracklog. It has no trackback feature.

I don't have a 276 but I understand what you are asking as I had an eMap and it could save tracks and do trackbacks. For specific information, Garmin has all its manuals online in PDF format. The 276 manual is 3.2MB in size.
 
Garfieldus:

OK, now I comprehend what you are getting at.

The automotive GPSR's (SP III, SP 26xx) can accomplish what you want to do, but the methodology is different, because in an automotive environment, you won't ever exactly retrace your path in the opposite direction. To do so would be to invite a head-on collision. To examine what you list, in your order:

1. Record a track - Easy enough, just ensure that track recording is turned on, this is done in the options section of the SP III or SP 26xx.

2. Save when memory is 99% full - Can be accomplished by downloading the track to a PC, using the MapSource application. The automotive units don't have a capability to save multiple sequences of tracks internally on an indefinite basis, as the 296 (and probably the 276) have.

3. Rename the tracklog Can be done on your PC, once you have downloaded the log. You can either rename the individual leg segments by themselves, or aggregate the track.

4. Clear the active tracklog Can be done on any of the automotive units.

Reload a saved tracklog and retrace it, maybe even in reverse. You can accomplish the same thing on an automotive GPSR, the difference being that you don't accomplish it by using the tracklog feature, you accomplish it using the autorouting feature. If you want to repeat a track, you set it up as a route. If you want to "reverse" a track, you have different ways of doing this - on the newest model automotive units, you choose "Return to Start" from the route menu, and the GPSR will take you back where you came from.

The intended application for exact retracing of track logs, and exact reversal of track logs, is marine navigation - to be more specific, recreational marine navigation with small vessels. When you get into the more powerful marine navigation systems that are used in large commercial vessels (freighters, ferries, etc.), they actually use an "autorouting" system that is very similar to the Garmin automotive GPSR's, because in commercial marine navigation, the shipping lanes are direction-specific.

The same holds true for aviation work - if I want to go from Zurich to London and back using my Garmin 430 and 530 panel mount Flight Management System (what I use when I am at work), I use the "autorouting" function to call up departure, enroute and arrival segments that are one way tracks. Coming back in the other direction, I would use different one way tracks.

The bottom line, Garfieldus, is that if you want to continue to use a screwdriver to perform the work of a chisel, that's your business, but don't sow confusion for others by complaining about what a poor job your screwdriver does of chipping away at stones.

If all you want to do is record and renavigate (in either direction) off-road tracks with your motorcycle, buy a Garmin Geko 101 new for USD $80 - it will allow you to do exactly what you have specified.

PanEuropean
 
You said:
The bottom line, Garfieldus, is that if you want to continue to use a screwdriver to perform the work of a chisel, that's your business, but don't sow confusion for others by complaining about what a poor job your screwdriver does of chipping away at stones.

I say:
I'm not. I just bought a chisel. You missed one very important point that I made, I said "all this while on the move and without the use of a pc".

Incidentally, Pan, any hope you could get out of "lecture" mode when replying? You're not in class talking to little boys.
 
OK Garfieldus, let's call a truce here.

I will admit I am less than impressed with your judgment and decision-making ability after reading your post last week in which you wrote " made a big mistake in buying a SPIII last year", (a correct observation on your part, considering what you wanted to be able to do), and then reading your post above in which you warn users to "beware of trying to [track my routes, so i can print out interesting places i went in the UK and Europe, and easily share them with other people] with the SP III." I answered Rocks' question accurately, your remarks about 'being wary' are not accurate or appropriate in the context of either Rocks' question or his intended application.

Kind of sounds to me like you're blaming the product, not acknowledging that you bought the wrong product for the intended application. That's a bit like pissing down your leg - might make you feel warm and nice, but doesn't do much for anyone else who is reading the thread.

You're right, I was talking down at you. But the comments were directed at you, not the others.

I'll drop the subject if you will.

PanEuropean
 
Richie:

Sorry, I didn't even know that this BB supported PM's until you pointed it out today.

To everyone who has sent me a PM since March (there were tons of them) - sorry about that, I wasn't ignoring you, I just didn't know that the PM's were there. I'll try to get answers out over the next few days.

I have since turned the PM feature off - I am happy to answer questions in the public forum, but don't have the time to answer individual questions. God only put me on this earth to accomplish a limited number of things... and right now, I am so far behind in this work I will never die.

PanEuropean
 
There you go Garfieldus, our resident GPS expert who seems to know all there is to know about GPS, certainly helepd me choose mine, knows not how to use PM.

Amazing but true, horses for courses, n'est pas....
 
Kind of sounds to me like you're blaming the product, not acknowledging that you bought the wrong product for the intended application.

I don't see how you can say that as you've already quoted me as saying, and I acknowledge - "I made a big mistake"

You're right, I was talking down at you.

But why would you do this? The fact that you did tells me lots about you. I reckon you should get down off your high horse and have a f**king good ride.
 
richie said:
There you go Garfieldus, our resident GPS expert who seems to know all there is to know about GPS

Richie, I will always acknowledge a down to earth expert but never the expert who thinks he's God's gift to mankind as pan does. I consider him to be a total pita. I would loooooove to be in his class just for a day :)
 


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