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Just been looking around the Garmin site and found the POI loader software, which allows the downloading of custom points of interest to the GPS and enables proximity alerts. Sounds great, but it conspicuously doesn't say which GPS units it's compatible with. Anyone know if it works with the Quest?

Cheers,

SG
 
Paul

Thanks for the heads up, I've just downloaded it. I'm guessing it will work with any of the Garmin units, the only restriction being the number of POI's you can upload depending on the unit's memory.

I take it you will be trying it out with speed cameras?

Cheers

Adam :)
 
SilentG said:
Just been looking around the Garmin site and found the POI loader software, which allows the downloading of custom points of interest to the GPS and enables proximity alerts. Sounds great, but it conspicuously doesn't say which GPS units it's compatible with. Anyone know if it works with the Quest?

Cheers,

SG

I've just tried it with the Quest and am getting an error telling me that there is no compatible unit attached. The Quest is connected properly because Map Source recognises it, so I have sent a query to Garmin Technical Support and will post when they send me a reply.
 
...and here's the reply

Good Morning,

Thank you for contacting Garmin Europe.

In regard to your email, the older units are not designed and cannot hold
the POI loader thus why it has been released for the newer units which all
use a new type of mapping (3D). I would be very surprised if the POI loader
was re-released for the older units as the cannot hold it but if it were the
Quest would most likely be the unit which it would be created for.

The compatible units at the moment are:

>>
>>* Quest 2
>>* StreetPilot 2720
>>* StreetPilot C310
>>* StreetPilot C320
>>* StreetPilot C330
>>* StreetPilot C340
>>* StreetPilot i2
>>* StreetPilot i3
>>* iQue M3 (Not sold in Europe)


...so the short answer is 'no'
 
Unfortunately the Quest isn't supported, however, it will work with the Quest 2 (me-thinks they want us Quest owners to upgrade (some chance)).

There's a list of supported devices on the left of this page: http://www.garmin.com/products/poiloader/
Specifically:
iQue M3, Quest 2, nüvi, StreetPilot 2720, StreetPilot C320, StreetPilot C330, StreetPilot C340, StreetPilot i2, StreetPilot i3

I enquired of Garmin support if they had any plans to add this functionality to the original Quest, and the response was a definitive 'no'. However, if they received enough requests/feedback they could potentially give it more serious consideration (unless there's a technical limitation that prevents them from doing so (didn't get a response on this question, however these seems to be some suggestion that this may be the case).

If you'd like to add your voice, go visit here: http://www.garmin.com/contactUs/techSupport.jsp

There's a discussion on this very subject right here

<you got there before my Sparky!>
 
DodgyGeeSer said:
...However, if they received enough requests/feedback they could potentially give it more serious consideration ...

I suspect that is your personal opinion, DodgyGeeSer, and a veiled suggestion from you that others to write Garmin, not Garmin's position on the matter. So, before anyone starts clicking links and sending out letters, consider this:

I've been using the POI loader for a while now, during the testing that I have been doing for motorcycle use of the 2720. It's a pretty simple, straightforward program - you provide it with a list of lat/longs on your computer, in text or Excel (.csv) format, and it sucks them up into your GPSR. Simple, fast, to the point. If you attach a speed value to a lat/long, it will alert you if you are over that speed (or, maybe it displays the speed when you get close to the location - I can't remember exactly).

As for the whole business of giving earlier model GPSRs the ability to store proximity waypoints - I really, really doubt if this will be possible. Garmin has always been very good about porting new features back to existing models if the existing model hardware can handle the new feature. We've all seen this in the past with things like the custom routing preferences, and 'avoid area' features.

The problem, though, is this: The existing unit needs to have both the processor capacity (horsepower) and the free DRAM memory capacity to handle the new feature. In the case of proximity waypoints, the problem is going to be finding the free memory to both handle the storage of the proximity waypoints, and finding the processor cycles needed to constantly monitor for upcoming proximity waypoints. Personally, I don't think ANY of the existing products will be capable of handling this. It's an engineering issue, not a marketing issue.

A good example of this is the issue of giving a SP III the ability to handle custom route preferences (major roads, minor roads, etc.). The SP III could handle this from a DRAM point of view (the new feature did not require any additional DRAM to function), but the SP III just doesn't have the processor horsepower to cope with the additional workload. If the engineers had rolled this feature into a SP III, the performance of the SP III would be unacceptable to the user. So, they didn't. But, they did roll it into future updates for the 276, 296, and a few other existing GPSRs of similar vintage, after having first introduced the feature on the 26xx series.

In the case of the 26xx series of GPSRs and proximity waypoints, I think that the 26xx units probably have the processor horsepower to handle proximity waypoints, but I doubt if they have sufficient dynamic RAM inside them to store the proximity waypoints. This means it just ain't gonna be possible to provide the feature. Do keep in mind that the 26xx series hardware configuration was frozen back in the winter of 2002/2003 - that's a heck of a long time ago. DRAM prices have dropped considerably since then, allowing the hardware guys to pack more DRAM into the GPSRs, thus allowing the software guys the room they need to pack more features and tricks into the GPSR.

An excellent analogy would be personal computers: If you are running Windows 2000 on a 386 or a 486, and you try to install the latest Windows Media Player 10, the application installer won't even run. Microsoft isn't trying to force you to upgrade your operating system or your hardware, they're just facing the facts that the old OS and the old hardware don't meet the technical prerequsites needed to support the new feature set.

A GPSR is like a computer: You buy the thing, and it will work perfectly with the software that it ships with until it crumbles into dust 100 years from now. But, if you want to have all the latest tricks, and run the latest software, you have to have hardware (memory and processor) that can support the tricks - computer or GPSR, it's the same for both.

Michael
 
Hi Michael, thanks for the very informative response.

The POILoader is supported on the Quest 2, which in terms of hardware does not seem terribly dissimilar to the original Quest (or at least the spec in the owner's manual is the same for both models, except for map coverage (would this indicate an increase in DRAM?)). Garmin don't seem to publish processor speeds, or the amount of the unit's internal memory, so they may have upgraded these for the Quest 2, and simply not published the fact.

Is the reason supplied by Garmin that 'it has been released for the newer units which all use a new type of mapping (3D)' valid?

I did not mean to suggest bombarding Garmin with countless requests for functionality that may not technically be possible with the Quest, however, their response to PARKY, that
I would be very surprised if the POI loader was re-released for the older units as the cannot hold it but if it were the Quest would most likely be the unit which it would be created for.
would suggest that there may be some potential for a little research if the demand was there.
 
I was going to mention the Quest 2 as well.
Feedback from US users indicates that the speed and interface of the Quest 2 is identical to the Quest

3D is not really relevant imho
 
Dodgy:

I don't know what the differences are between the Quest and the Quest 2. It could be that the hardware is identical, but the operating software (that allocates DRAM use) is different.

Respecting the 'new maps' - the only difference between the current version of the maps (for example, City Navigator 7) and the 'new' version (City Navigator 7 NT) is that the new versions support the ISO coded references to traffic events, as they are broadcast on the TMC channels. For some reason (that falls into the 'God only knows why' category), TMC broadcasts don't use lat/long references, they use an overlay code that is unique to each country. This was established by the TMC crowd many years ago, long before Garmin came to the party.

All future map releases will support these references as a matter of course. It was necessary for Garmin to make an intermediate release (NT) of the current maps to enable the TMC functions on the new units. There is no upgrade path to the intermediate map release, because none is needed. The new units that support TMC come with the full set of new maps preloaded in solid state memory, and the older units that don't support TMC don't need the new maps.

Michael
 
Just a post-script here: I'm going to take a guess - and I emphasize this is a guess - that the software and hardware changes needed to support the TMC function probably accomplishes a good deal of the work needed to also support the proximity waypoint warning function. In other words - if you think about how the TMC works, it basically just creates temporary 'proximity waypoints' for traffic events, and the GPSR needs to be aware of those waypoints and react accordingly whenever vehicle gets close to them, or one appears on the route ahead.

This is another reason why I think it might be unlikely that the older units will get proximity waypoint functionalty.

The hardware of the Quest 2 must be different from the original Quest if the Quest 2 supports the TMC function. The TMC receiver itself - a thing called a GTM-10 - plugs into the back of the GPSR, using the USB connection.

Michael
 
I would agree with whats been said about OS/processor and Dram but still I think they could make a version for older ( brand new ) models. Having just purchased a new 2610 at almost £600 it’s a bit of a kick in the teeth to be told its an old model and will not be supported for further new features. I also think the POI is simply a database and could be added to like any other database. I understand what has been said about the new features but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t have a POI editor/loader that would add to the POI database on older models, perhaps without the alert feature. I’ve been pretty disappointed by the POI database on my new unit for my area, there are no fast food outlets listed even though the town is full of them and last night on my first try at using the POI it took me to a petrol station that’s been closed for about 4 years.

Sorry but poor show Garmin, I like the 2610 it’s a nice peace of kit but its being let down by the software. I bought a Garmin because they had a reputation for quality and service.

Allan
 
I must agree with some of the other guys here. Its hard to take, that those who have spent on the best part of £400 to £1200 on either a Quest, 2610 or a Nav 11, to be told that the POI Loader will not be supported for these "old units". My brothers GPSMAP 65CS supports proximity alerts, so he can if he wishes, at least manually set alerts for any POI on his cheaper and with less memory, unit.

Lets hope that Garmin will do their best for us, the customers who pay their wages. We can`t all just bin our old units and go and buy the latest kit as much as we would like to.

Living in hope.
 
You can set 100 proximity alarms on a GPSmap 276C

The POIloader for the newer Garmin units as the ability to make them speed based. ie you only get an alarm if you are travelling above a certain speed (the speed limit of a 'safety' camera for example)
 
allan said:
I would agree with whats been said about OS/processor and Dram but still I think they could make a version for older ( brand new ) models. Having just purchased a new 2610 at almost £600 it’s a bit of a kick in the teeth to be told its an old model and will not be supported for further new features. I also think the POI is simply a database and could be added to like any other database. I understand what has been said about the new features but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t have a POI editor/loader that would add to the POI database on older models, perhaps without the alert feature. I’ve been pretty disappointed by the POI database on my new unit for my area, there are no fast food outlets listed even though the town is full of them and last night on my first try at using the POI it took me to a petrol station that’s been closed for about 4 years.

Hi Allan:

I think you might be confusing apples and oranges here.

The 'POI Loader' application is intended to support the extended proximity alert function (speed camera function) of the newer GPSRs. It allows you to load a huge quantity (about 256,000) of lat/long co-ordinates - with a speed associated with each one, if you want - and then have the GPSR alert you when you get close to these co-ordinates.

Historically, we have interpreted the term 'POI' to mean points of interest - in other words, gas stations, restaurants, stuff like that, which is how I think you are interpreting it. You can't load additional POIs by category with these new GPSRs - it's strictly a speed camera alerting function.

The points of interest on the cartography - gas stations, restaurants, and so forth - are provided by the cartography suppliers, who also provide the maps themselves. Garmin does not make any maps at all - they buy the data from mapping companies, such as Navteq, who specialize in this. Think of it a bit like computer software - IBM makes the hardware, but you don't buy your programs from IBM, you get those from Microsoft, Adobe, etc. It's the same with GPSRs - Garmin makes the hardware, and the operating software for the hardware, but the maps are supplied by outside vendors.

Michael
 
Michael,

Agreed, we are talking about different things. I am referring to the POI’s in the map data such as petrol stations and food/drink locations. Im not questioning your knowledge and I have read many of your posts and found them very helpful and knowledgeable. I understand the difference between the map data stored on the SF card or disk and data downloaded to the unit such as waypoints which are stored in the units memory.

However I can’t believe this has not been done already as it’s the most likely part of the map data to change. Roads and mountains don’t move that often but businesses open, close and move all the time so it would make sense to be able to update this information regularly and easily.

I still think given Garmin’s share of the market Im sure if they had the will to do so they could strike a deal with Navtech to get the technical information needed to add POI’s to the map data. As I said before the Map Data and POI Data are databases and like all databases can be added to, edited and deleted from. Its just a case of having the right tool.


Allan
 


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