German News Magazine: Brakes (preview)

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The German Media - this Week

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08.07.2005, Potsdamer Neueste Nachrichten (auch: Der Tagesspiegel) Schwere Bremsdefekte bei BMW

07.07.2005, Frankfurter Rundschau, Staatsanwalt ermittelt gegen BMW

07.07.2005, Frankfurter Rundschau, Angekratzt

06.07.2005, Berliner Zeitung, Staatsanwalt ermittelt bei BMW - Probleme mit Bremssystem

06.07.2005, TAZ, Bremsen in Schräglage

05.07.2005, Netzeitung, Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelt gegen BMW

05.07.2005, Focus.de, Bremsprobleme bei BMW - ABS kann ausfallen

05.07.2005, PLUSMINUS, Abgefahren - Sind BMW-Motorräder lebensgefährlich?

05.07.2005, Tagesschau, Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelt, Sind BMW Motorräder lebensgefährlich?

05.07.2005, boerse.ard.de, BMW-Aktie ausgebremst

05.07.2005, N-TV, Staatsanwalt ermittelt - ABS-Probleme bei BMW

05.07.2005, Reuters, Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelt wegen BMW-Motorradbremsen

05.07.2005, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Seite 1: Gebremstes Vertrauen

04.05.2005, DER SPIEGEL Nr. 27, Seite 70 Wirtschaftteil, BMW-Motorräder haben Probleme im Bremssystem
 
If the problem with the brakes are down to the drain on the electrical system would it not be possible for BMW to upgrade the alternator and put in a bigger battery.


bgregor
 
bgregor said:
If the problem with the brakes are down to the drain on the electrical system would it not be possible for BMW to upgrade the alternator and put in a bigger battery.
bgregor
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They won't do that.

There statement is in general: This ABS failure may only happen on training courses, and therefore 5 hard brakings only suggested. Residual brakes are legal and sufficient to stop the bike safely. There have been about 20 cases and that's normal with complex systems.
 
Breaking News from Germany (07/09/05)

They offer the free examination of 260.000 Motorbikes!

SÜDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG (German, Original)

SÜDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG (Google, Translation)
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In addition to this breaking news about a free inspection of all BMW motorbikes with integrated brakes we have today again breaking news in the newspaper DIE WELT:

New numbers: 30 and thousand.

Message: From the 260,000 notorbikes there were no more than 30 motorcycles were at which parts of the brake system were exchanged. They followed nearly thousand further complaints, without being able to find an error.

Original Article: DIE WELT, 09.07.2005

Google Translated Article: DIE WELT, 07/09/2005
 
German News Magazine TAGESSCHAU

German News Magazine TAGESSCHAU (ARD), today:

BMW-Motorräder

TAGESSCHAU is the most important TV news show here in Germany, and it's not a private TV Station. This show is very, very respectable.

The prosecutor is interviewed and he's talking about a dead rider.
 
Re: German News Magazine TAGESSCHAU

German News Magazine TAGESSCHAU 07/09/2005 6 pm & 8 pm (new valid link)

BMW-Motorräder

----- NEWS ----- ENLGISH LANGUAGE ----


'But by checking the brake systems we want to contribute to reducing possible uncertainty among our customers...'


AFX News Limited, BMW to check for possible brake system problems on up to 260,000 motorcycles, 07.10.2005, 03:11 PM

What if the customer dosn't go to the checkup (what are they testing and doing exactly?) because it's not obligatory? And what if he has an accident and he wasn't at the test? And what if he was at the checkup but the bike then is in trouble with the 100% perfect tested brakes?
 
There are News at www.focus.de, the online edition of the German news magazine FOCUS: FOCUS, original German article

BMW is warning of more than five hard brakings in short intervals. Each owner of a BMW motorcycle with integral ABS will get a personal writing as well as an addition to the manual.

In this note they explain the rules for BMW riders at motorcycle safety trainings and the importance of an optimal maintenance of the motorcycle.

FOCUS, Google translation
 
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guitarman said:
I'm interested in how you practice brake failure in an emergency stop situation. Most of us will use engine braking but that isn't going to stop you when you need to really slam on the anchors.

The idea of keeping "my wits about me" and riding sensibly because of this is total anathema to me. One failure is too many. Call me old-fashioned but I expect my brakes to work the same every time and I don't want to ride with even the tiniest fear that my brakes might fail.

It's certainly put me off buying a 1200 until they've sorted out the problem.

Cheers

Dick
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It's not just the 1200 that have these brakes - it's all of the modern BMW with ABS/Servos.
 
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Engineer said:
It's not just the 1200 that have these brakes - it's all of the modern BMW with ABS/Servos.
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And in fact you can buy a 1200 without servos if you desire. Can you get an Adventure with no servos?
 
Interview with BMW Motorrad Boss

BMW Motorrad boss Dr. Herbert Diess is interviewed in the German newspaper DIE WELT 07/15/2005.

Original German

Google Translation

He seems to think about the proposition of an acustic warning (since lot's of riders claim not seen the warning lights). However, he's only mentioning about 30 cases and dosn't repeat the nearly thousand complaints where they coudn't find an error (according to the article in DIE WELT 07/09/05)

He also critisizes the news that were talking about a dead rider: Tagesschau, 07/09/05, 8pm, 6pm
 
Summary

So we do now know from BMW:

(1) Voltage sensitivity of the ABS system (special conditions safety trainings). Solution: restrictions in the use of the brakes.

(2) Less than 30 descriptions of dangerous riding conditions (due to brakes) since the introduction of the system before four years and not more than 30 motorcycles at which parts of the brake system were exchanged. Solution: unknown *

(3) They followed nearly thousand further complaints, without being able to detect an error. Solution: unknown


* Dr. Herbert Diess is thinking about an acoustic warning in addition to the warning light.
 
The most interesting bit in the article was that BMW are cosidering new models with a completely new,(to them), engine type.
Are there any pre-prototype pictures,(cue MCN!)?
 
Le singe said:
The most interesting bit in the article was ...
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No. What really bothers me is the nearly thousand riders that complained but no error was detected. If a rider with Integrated Brakes crashes and dies and no error with the brakes is detected the police will never know about the reason (if the reason are the brakes). Other question: The nearly thousand riders that complained, are they all wrong? How come?

In the current issue BMW MOTORRÄDER NO 14/Summer 2005 of MO publishing house the first readers letter is from a BMW employee. He’s writing that electronic will always have the effects that there are errors that cannot be explained and duplicated.

It could be different. But obviously they think and work this way.
 
Outtomunch said:
The most interesting part of the article is that BMW are considering a new (to them) engine type.
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Well, I did know that already.

And I just found the next newspaper article in DIE WELT AM SONNTAG 07/17/2005 which contains no new information but gradually new statements. The headline may be translated as:

BMW admits problems with the motorcycle brake (Google translation)

The main argument seems to be (to me): "Diess attributes the problem to internal safety philosophy."

To me the discussion seems to be about error handling. For example is it really necessary (for safety reasons) that the brakes shift to residual braking mode (no servos, unlinked, no ABS) if there is a 'problem' with the brake light switch? What do you think?
 
France investigating against BMW

I have news.

As you know the German prosecutor is investigating, the German automobile club initiated a survey, the German KBA is investigating the third time and the German mass media like newspapers and TV are on the topic 'Integrated ABS Brakes from BMW'.

News is that based on my knowledge the french authority in charge of consumers safety (DGCCRF http://www.finances.gouv.fr/DGCCRF) started today an official investigation against BMW Motorrad France for abnormally long stopping distances with residual braking action and front brake lever position 1.

nemezis
 
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