Get The Sandwiches Ready GSA Rear Wheel Collapse - Part 3!

Warlord said:
Erm....

Well I clicked on BMW, then R1200 GS Watercooled Section...

So yeah. Clue is in there somewhere.

We need a feckin GSexit Thread get rid of the bottom feeders
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If you think this is a BMW forum, you are very much mistaken ;)
 
GrinningGSer said:
Are you sure and I mean 100% sure; I am not aware that the design has changed in which case there are 40 per wheel . The grub screw is in the middle of the tightening nut , buried in mud.
There are two in the photo ; one arrowed and one in the other spoke nut:
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They look like the end of a spoke , but they are not .

(If you do have them , then your tightening is not done correctly because they butt against the end of the spoke after light tightening : or maybe yours never did cos in theory you cannot tighten without backing off these grub screws . )
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No I'm not and after seeing your picture I can see the screw. Either way I will not be touching the bike inside warranty when someone else gets paid to fix it whilst I play on a demo bike :-)

Covered 400 miles since the bike was in and everything is fine.
 
Having had my wheel 'sorted' by the dealer on Friday I thought I'd stick it on the wheel balancer to see how 'true' it is.

5-6mm side movement and about 2mm up and down

Anybody know what tolerance BMW are quoting for their wheels please?
 
spm0912 said:
Having had my wheel 'sorted' by the dealer on Friday I thought I'd stick it on the wheel balancer to see how 'true' it is.

5-6mm side movement and about 2mm up and down

Anybody know what tolerance BMW are quoting for their wheels please?
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Add a pair of knobblies, surely that would not help the situation............:rob
 
Without consideration fir BMW Afaik 5-6mm side movement is an mot failure;
5.2.2 Road wheel condition
Check the roadwheels fitted to the motorcycle and any sidecar.

Spare wheels aren't included in the inspection, but you should tell the presenter if you notice a defect.

The maximum lateral rim distortion (run out or buckling) limits are:

4mm for steel rims
2mm for aluminium alloy rims (cast or fabricated)
The maximum eccentricity is 3mm for all types of rim.

Measurements should be taken from a machined surface in the case of cast aluminium alloy rims.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov...-Wheels-tyres-and-suspension.html#section_5.2

As said earlier, BMW do not have the jigs to sort a very untrue wheel ; a specialist such as Woody’s Wheels can do it . Your 2018 is under warranty ; you need a new wheel! ( how much are they £800-£1000? to everyone else )
 
GrinningGSer said:
Without consideration fir BMW Afaik 5-6mm side movement is an mot failure;
5.2.2 Road wheel condition
Check the roadwheels fitted to the motorcycle and any sidecar.

Spare wheels aren't included in the inspection, but you should tell the presenter if you notice a defect.

The maximum lateral rim distortion (run out or buckling) limits are:

4mm for steel rims
2mm for aluminium alloy rims (cast or fabricated)
The maximum eccentricity is 3mm for all types of rim.

Measurements should be taken from a machined surface in the case of cast aluminium alloy rims.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov...-Wheels-tyres-and-suspension.html#section_5.2

As said earlier, BMW do not have the jigs to sort a very untrue wheel ; a specialist such as Woody’s Wheels can do it . If under warranty ; you need a new wheel ( how much are they £800-£1000?)
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Thanks for that. I'd got 4mm in my head from somewhere, Had a similar issue on my TC. Swapped to cast wheels and it was like riding a different bike. I said then I wouldn't get another BMW with spoked wheels:blast
 
spm0912 said:
Thanks for that. I'd got 4mm in my head from somewhere, Had a similar issue on my TC. Swapped to cast wheels and it was like riding a different bike. I said then I wouldn't get another BMW with spoked wheels:blast
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More I read glad I did not get the spoked wheels I really fancied, then again I only do a bit of gravel so not needed, but they did look really good.
 
Checked mine at the weekend and guess what, 3 loose spokes rear wheel.

Dealer says there is a problem with them working loose, up to 5 and they will tighten but over that they will change the wheel......
 
Prawnini said:
Checked mine at the weekend and guess what, 3 loose spokes rear wheel.

Dealer says there is a problem with them working loose, up to 5 and they will tighten but over that they will change the wheel......
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Now why did you do that Shaun, its off again...........:D
 
Question

If several spokes are loose surly the wheel will not run true and become somewhat buckled ?

I.E spokes are loose because the wheel is sightly buckled as what used to happen to my pushbike when i was a kid

My recollection of trying to un buckle a push bike wheel was that it was pretty much impossible without specialist tools.

If the spokes are loose on a GS then my opinion is that just re tightening them will not solve the issue just fuck the wheel some more
 
redrick said:
Question

If several spokes are loose surly the wheel will not run true and become somewhat buckled ?

I.E spokes are loose because the wheel is sightly buckled as what used to happen to my pushbike when i was a kid

My recollection of trying to un buckle a push bike wheel was that it was pretty much impossible without specialist tools.

If the spokes are loose on a GS then my opinion is that just re tightening them will not solve the issue just fuck the wheel some more
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Exactly. After BMW tightened my spokes the runout was 6mm. Not blaming the techs, we all know truing these wheels is not easy. I now have a new wheel with a runout of about 1mm. BMW have released wheels with a different grub screw which is now also locktighted in position. Hopefully this will solve the problem
 
Posted this on another thread

After reading this thread last night I checked the spokes on my 4 week old Rallye wheels. Front wheel was fine. Rear wheel I found 4 loose spokes (as in rattled around when you grabbed them between your fingers) and many more with a dull thud when tapping with a screwdriver. The bike has 1100 miles and just recently serviced by Coopers in Sunderland. Several irate phone calls later and they are going to order a new rear rear wheel. I was told on the phone that if the wheel had just 1 spoke loose they would just tighten but since it has at least 4 they will replace.

I have since spoken to the service department who checked rear wheel availability and they confirmed that Germany had no wheels available. They also told me that BMW would not give me a courtesy bike while my bike was off the road, we shall see about that !

Anyway I will keep everyone posted.

Angry Eddy
 
Edward Hitler said:
Posted this on another thread

After reading this thread last night I checked the spokes on my 4 week old Rallye wheels. Front wheel was fine. Rear wheel I found 4 loose spokes (as in rattled around when you grabbed them between your fingers) and many more with a dull thud when tapping with a screwdriver. The bike has 1100 miles and just recently serviced by Coopers in Sunderland. Several irate phone calls later and they are going to order a new rear rear wheel. I was told on the phone that if the wheel had just 1 spoke loose they would just tighten but since it has at least 4 they will replace.

I have since spoken to the service department who checked rear wheel availability and they confirmed that Germany had no wheels available. They also told me that BMW would not give me a courtesy bike while my bike was off the road, we shall see about that !

Anyway I will keep everyone posted.

Angry Eddy
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Call it in to BMW Assist

Get your bike collected and insist on a replacement vehicle. It will not be a bike as Enterprise don't do bikes but it will be BMW product :thumb2

Adding car hire to the cost of the warranty claim is the best way of focussing their attention :augie

My bet is they will remove a wheel out of a new (stock) bike :D
 
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