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So Matt ....

(talking as a luddite ..), Your videos look like they've had some serious editing treatment. Tell me a bit about that ....

(I'd quite like to do some commentary videos but I'm so shite on a computer .... :D)

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Hi Giles,
Yes - there was a lot of editing in the above video :)
I started with about 30hrs of footage and spent probably 40hrs editing it down to a 25 minute video for the people on the trip, choosing and editing music / sound tracks etc. I then spent another few hours editing that down to the 10 minute film above. All that said, some time was spent learning my way round the editing software (iMovie on my Mac in my case) but I picked it up pretty quickly - the equivalent on PC is Windows MovieMaker. At a basic level like I am working at at the moment, non-linear editing is pretty straightforward but I do have a background in IT and have been a part time sound / recording engineer for 30 years.

It seems counter intuitive to start with a load of footage and then throw 90% of it away but you have to be ruthless. You also develop a 4 to 5 second clock in your head - you rarely want more than 5 seconds between cuts. That also seems counter intuitive at first - all those long sequences in your raw footage are too long :) But you get used to this too. The hard thing when you're just filming with one camera in a linear fashion (no reshooting sequences to get different viewpoints) is that you don't really have enough material for decent cut-aways - you just have to make do with what you've got.

The next step up for me is a more professional software package but these will require an investment in time for me to get competent with. I intend to force myself do my next video on Lightworks - a high spec professional package that has been used to make many feature films but Lightworks doesn't make anything easy in the way that iMovie does - I'm sure it'll make my head hurt ;)

In your situation, I'd decide what you want to achieve (some sort of plan for the story you want to tell is important, even if it's just in your head), sit down with a bunch of video and start chopping it around in your chosen software - it'll take a bit of work if you've never used this type of software but there are lots of tutorials and stuff on YouTube to help.
 
Ok Matt ... thanks for the reply ... :thumb2

(I think I'll stick to 'one take' and just upload it warts 'n all .... :D)
 
If you use GoPro cameras, they come with some pretty straight forward video editing software that I think even you could use, Giles.
 
Bloody hell .... 200 odd posts and she's taking the piss already .... :D


(You should fit in here well .... !)
 
I was doing that self-restraint thing for the previous 200 posts
 
I was there today !! (duty trip and all that ... ).
 
Looks a great cam. Does it connect to the live view remote via bluetooth? How do you rate the battery?

It connects via wifi - you can also connect it to a phone or tablet - I use my iPad to check the alignment when I mount it to my helmet. Once I've got it lined up and all the joints in the mount locked up I don't bother with the remote - just press the button on the camera to start and stop recording. This saves battery as you can turn wifi off on the camera.

With the camera in 'airplane mode' - ie all radios (wifi, GPS) off, the battery lasts about two hours in continuous record 1080p 25fps (I've not done a test with wifi on). That's enough for me as I've got a few spares (cheap copies from Amazon) so I can swap batteries out on stops if necessary.
 
Yes of course, I meant wifi :blast. This really sapps the battery on my go pro so I also switch it off once set up. GoPro battery doesn't last long on video, and only records in 20 minute files.
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The Sony does split long files up into 1/2 hour segments but it happens invisibly and there are no frame losses between segments.
 
So Matt ... a couple more questions for you !!

Vimeo V Youtube. Any reason why you prefer Vimeo ?? (I don't know anything about it but do have a YT account that I occasionally upload to ..)

Talk me through adding a mike to a camera. I'm assuming that a bog standard Mike would just pic up on shed loads of wind noise. Would a standard mike in one of those fury 'dead animal' fur things (reporters use on a windy day) work?? (obviously we're talking inside the chin bar of a helmet here ... ). (A video with commentary is the goal ...... :thumb2)

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So Matt ... a couple more questions for you !!
Vimeo V Youtube. Any reason why you prefer Vimeo ?? (I don't know anything about it but do have a YT account that I occasionally upload to ..)

Ive always preferred the 'look' of Vimeo and while YT and Vimeo have upload limits they both work slightly differently. That said, I've actually paid for an account with Vimeo which gives me a 500 GB / week and unlimited HD.

Talk me through adding a mike to a camera. I'm assuming that a bog standard Mike would just pic up on shed loads of wind noise. Would a standard mike in one of those fury 'dead animal' fur things (reporters use on a windy day) work?? (obviously we're talking inside the chin bar of a helmet here ... ). (A video with commentary is the goal ...... :thumb2)
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Depends on the camera.
Some cameras have external mic inputs (the Sony does, not sure about GoPros) but the deal breaker for the Sony is that plugging into the mic port means opening a weather sealed door thus breaking the waterproofing - not so good on a bike. I might be inclined to record audio separately to a digital sound recorder in a pocket or tankbag. I use a Zoom H4N for separate audio. A fur windshield certainly helps with wind noise but there's a limit to what any windshield can do - a 70mph turbulent wind blast would defeat most windshields. There's also not much space inside the chin bar of a helmet for a decent windshield.

That said, they make good noise cancelling intercoms (although I've never used one) so it must be possible and I guess you could take an audio feed from an intercom setup into a recorder. Probably getting a bit expensive though...

Is vital to record a live commentary? Could you record a voice-over later in the comfort of your house - much easier and no need for fancy audio gear?
 
I think that driving (riding) commentary works best when it's live. It's a real time 'this is what I'm thinking' and has a rawness about it that works better than the comfort of your armchair.

I haven't even got a camera yet! so we're a way off yet, but some commentary videos would be good to do ... :thumb2

Thanks for taking the time .....
 
Talk me through adding a mike to a camera. I'm assuming that a bog standard Mike would just pic up on shed loads of wind noise.

I once got a mike for my camcorder. Big mistake. He couldn't hold the camcorder steady, added weight to the bike, wouldn't stop eating and suffered with terrible wind. I should have took Gary instead.
 
Drift camcorder has a mic that tucks inside your helmet. Baronvongrumble used one and his comms always sound good with no wind noise.
 
I think that driving (riding) commentary works best when it's live. It's a real time 'this is what I'm thinking' and has a rawness about it that works better than the comfort of your armchair.

I haven't even got a camera yet! so we're a way off yet, but some commentary videos would be good to do ... :thumb2

Thanks for taking the time .....

No problem
 
You've got me thinking now. I'll try a tie clip mic (to my sound recorder) inside my helmet next time I'm out ;)
 
Drift camcorder has a mic that tucks inside your helmet. Baronvangrumble used one and his comms always sound good with no wind noise.

Ok ... I have a mate who has a drift so I'll tap him up. (He's called Chris, not Gary or Mike .... :rolleyes:).
 


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