GPS Dealer in Hmpshire?

thauma

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Hi Folks,

sorry to be a complete numpty :confused:

I'm completely new to this GPS stuff, and having seen it on a PDA they it seems to be quite useful.

However I'm not convinced that a PDA on a bike is the best solution. I know that a lot of decisions will come down to personal choice, and it seems to me that the 2610, or the Quest would probably fit my requirements, but I'd actually like to talk to someone and see a demo.

It's sad, but true - I live in Basingstoke, so if anyone can recomend a dealer in Hampshire / Berkshire region who has the ability to demonstrate GPS, as opposed to just having the boxes I'd be most grateful.

Thanks in advance

Dave#...
 
Dave

There are several riders over your way who will almost certainly know more than the majority of dealers. I'd try them first...
 
Hi Ian,

Thanks for the kind offer, I'd love to take you up on it - especially as you're not that far from me.

I'm currently laid up with a 'dodgy ankle', and so can't walk /drive or ride. But when the swelling (ooo errr misssus ) goes down, I'd like to take you up on your offer.



Andy,

I'll be happy to post any results

Thanks Folks.
 
Thauma
Im in Black Dam if thats any use. Have the 2610+ TT lockable mount. Gimme a shout if you want a look.

Baz
 
Hi Tricky,

Thanks for the reccomendation.

I paid them a visit yesterday (as I was passing), and I must admit that they are a very friendly firm. Most willing to help. 10/10 for non pushy selling and good advice


I met with Nigel, who took me for a demo drive, with the Quest and 2610. He took me on a local route, which certainly demonstrated the key features of both units.

He also demonstrated the computer software, and talked me through all the options.

I'm now torn and in a bigger quandry than when I started. I guess I really need to see the units on a bike.

QUEST - looks fantastic, it's small, portable and has batteries as well as power hook up. BUT has limited memory.

2610 - again looks good, it's bigger than the quest, and only works when plugged into a power supply (bike / car / mains) - so it's not a 'portable' if you're going on foot. It does however have a much larger memory capacity (and upgradeable by buying larger CF cards).

The dealer didn't have complete bike kits for either in yesterday.

My main questions now are:
1. Is the Quests Memory a limitation?
2. Is the Quest really readable on a bike?
3. Do I need additional mobility (separate battery power = QUEST) or will I just use it in a vehicle.

In both cases the kits appear to come with bare wire connections for the bike! This strikes me as strange - Do we have to connect them to the bikes battery, or can we use the GS's from power socket? I'm not a sparky, and don't really want to mess with electrics unless I have to. So can a BMW power connector be attached to the 2610/Quest Power cable ?

Baz,

If you're still willing I'd like to pop over and have a chat / view of the kit fitted to a bike.

Cheers

Dave#...
 
Losing my memory...

The memory issue depends on your use. European maps take up a hell of a lot of memory, so if you're going to stick to riding in the UK or a small area in Europe, the memory size in the Quest should be fine.
If you're going to tour any distance on the continent, with the Quest (or especially with older units like StreetPilot III), you have two choices: 1) preplan your route in detail and only load the maps that specifically cover your route, or 2) use the basemap for long distance riding and load maps for specific areas you want to explore in more detail.
With the 2610, you have rather more flexibility, especially since 1Gb CF cards are now down to just over £40. That way, you don't have to worry about your route too much and can go where your fancy takes you.
Having had five GPS units so far, the 2610 is fantastic - and if I need a handheld unit, I have an old eMap which when loaded with Metroguide, has enough detail and functionality for walking or hiking.
As for the power - no problem with using the accessory socket - it's easy to make up the necessary lead using a BMW-type plug and a simple bit of soldering.
The Quest is a lovely little unit and extremely versatile, but if you have read the GPS threads on this site, you'll see that Pan-European (THE GPS GOD!), points out that all GPS units are a compromise between screen size, portability, cost, power options, etc. It's VITAL to get your priorities sorted - will you REALLY use the unit off the car or bike?
For info, here's a screengrab from Mapsource of the maps I have on my 2610 at present. They take up 720 Mb and fit nicely on a 1 Gb card. With a Quest, you'd get about one third of this...
 

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thauma said:
My main questions now are:
1. Is the Quests Memory a limitation?


More than adequate for all but the longest of European trips so long as you are slective in dowloading only the maps for the area you are planning on going through.

2. Is the Quest really readable on a bike?

Depends mainly on your eyesight, I've just had a Quest on loan for a beginner's workshop I ran and I have 20/20 vision. If you are relying on the GPS without voice prompts then I'd have it on the handlebar cross brace on a RAM arm and not mounted on the speedo with Migsel's mount (though Fanny will be along later to contradict that viewpoint).

If I was using the Quest on the bike I'd definitely want the voice prompts, with the 2610 I could cope without as a quick glance of the bigger display is easy, less so with the smaller screen even after turning off the fields.

3. Do I need additional mobility (separate battery power = QUEST) or will I just use it in a vehicle.

Both units have road mapping and will be next to useless for walking except from giving you a GPS co-ordinate to use alongside a more suitable OS map. I did though once follow Gecko through Bruge on foot as he navigated us back to the bikes with his GPS V and beside looking like a prat (that may have had nothing to do with holding a GPS in the air while he walked :D ). It did lead us back to the bikes OK though.

The big advantage of the Quest having a battery is the ability to take the unit off the bike and indoors when planning/discussing routes with others, you can't do this with the 2610 without a power source being available.

In both cases the kits appear to come with bare wire connections for the bike! This strikes me as strange - Do we have to connect them to the bikes battery, or can we use the GS's from power socket? I'm not a sparky, and don't really want to mess with electrics unless I have to. So can a BMW power connector be attached to the 2610/Quest Power cable ?

Bare wire connections merely open the kit up to all bikes rather than relying on them having accessory sockets. RAM-ULK will be producing a power cable for the Quest with the BMW plug attached soon to be available.

The bare wire could be terminated in an accessory plug but it would be just as easy to crimp a couple or connectors on it and attach to the battery IMHO.
 
damn I wish this site wouldn't make Firefox crash - just lost a lengthy reply to this thread.

Got my 2610 from GSD inc 1GB CF card, power/audio (not BMW, just wired it directly to the battery, which was really easy), headset, mount, 770 inc vat. Mount took a while to show up but otherwise no issues; friendly dealer; would definitely recommend and go back.

If price is an issue you could save 100 or so by not getting the 1GB card - the unit comes with a 256MB card and these are very cheap nowadays, you can get them from PC World and other places. Compact Flash is a standard card type and is used in many digital cameras. Garmin say only some types work but who knows if that's because they're talking their partners' businesses up or if there really are issues with non-"certified" cards that still meet the CF standard?

Quest: probably a bit too limited. If you can take a PC around with you or a laptop, it's probably OK, but neither of these is an option for most bikers.

The portable nature of the Quest is I think overstated. When walking around, e.g. Central London, it really is very easy to navigate with a £1.50 map - stopping and thinking is a total nonissue, unlike when you're driving, and IMHO even as a total gadget freak GPS for walking round streets is serious overkill and also probably increases your changes of being mugged by several notches. It's probably a good one if you want GPS on a pushbike. But the 19MB limitation is really too limiting for me; it wouldn't be so bad if you could augment it with CF cards, but as you can't, it means you have to have access to a PC.

However if you want GPS on a bicycle the Quest is probably the one. Can't see the 2610 working off a dynamo somehow!

If you can't afford a 2610 then the Quest might be a good "starter" GPS but I had little doubt when looking at the Quest that I'd sooner or later regret not getting a 2610.

"if you're going to stick to riding in the UK or a small area in Europe, the memory size in the Quest should be fine."

I disagree, but I'd have to measure the maps. The 256MB card that came with the unit was initialised to the UK plus north-west Europe (sounds a lot, but actually it was only northern europe within 100 miles or so of Dover, and didn't include Norway/Sweden.) I think the UK mainland is probably around half this data, so unless there's a cut-down version of the data for the Quest I can't see how you're going to get more than a handful of counties into only 19MB. But as I said - I'd have to measure the map data to be sure.

"If you're going to tour any distance on the continent, with the Quest (or especially with older units like StreetPilot III), you have two choices: 1) preplan your route in detail and only load the maps that specifically cover your route"

Precisely. The whole point of satnav (to me) is that you can recover from getting lost and find alternative routes - how can you know in advance what maps you won't need? And if you are good at staying on route, what do you want GPS for?

PDA definitely wouldn't work on a bike. They're not waterproof. I doubt they're vibration-proof. And they crash from time to time - probably not ideal if you're short of time and trying to find your way round central London. Iff you're very short of funds, this might be an option, but then if that's the case take a map.
 
I should be about this weekend if you want a look.

Pm me

Baz
 
xpi0t0s said:
I disagree, but I'd have to measure the maps. The 256MB card that came with the unit was initialised to the UK plus north-west Europe (sounds a lot, but actually it was only northern europe within 100 miles or so of Dover, and didn't include Norway/Sweden.) I think the UK mainland is probably around half this data, so unless there's a cut-down version of the data for the Quest I can't see how you're going to get more than a handful of counties into only 19MB. But as I said - I'd have to measure the map data to be sure.

In this scenario you would download a different set of maps to the unit over-writing what's there which will give you the whole memory capacity for your trip. On your return you reload the UK maps or whetever you call your 'home maps' to the unit. For this you will need a PC though.
 
xpi0t0s...

I disagree, but I'd have to measure the maps. The 256MB card that came with the unit was initialised to the UK plus north-west Europe (sounds a lot, but actually it was only northern europe within 100 miles or so of Dover, and didn't include Norway/Sweden.) I think the UK mainland is probably around half this data, so unless there's a cut-down version of the data for the Quest I can't see how you're going to get more than a handful of counties into only 19MB. But as I said - I'd have to measure the map data to be sure.

Sorry to pull you up on this one mate, but that's duff information. The Quest doesn't have 19Mb memory, it has 243Mb! It's the GPS V that has 19Mb and I definitely wouldn't recommend that. As I posted above, for someone riding in the UK, 243Mb should be fine - unless you're planning a 'Round Britain Tour'. It would also be perfectly adequate for someone touring Northern France or Belgium. As such, the Quest IS a viable alternative for SOME people. It's cheaper than the 2610, has an internal battery and will accept City Select data.

Now, like you I have opted for the added flexibility of the 2610. But there IS a price penalty for that - and for some people the Quest should be on their comparison list.
 
"Sorry to pull you up on this one mate, but that's duff information. The Quest doesn't have 19Mb memory, it has 243Mb! It's the GPS V that has 19Mb "

Oh crap. Oops, sorry for that. Yes, 243MB is considerably better than 19MB, which can't even get the whole of the M25 on (24.4MB, unless you exclude route calculation data), and you should certainly be able to get the vast majority of the UK on 243MB.
 


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