GS 1200 brakes – problems & possible solutions

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I have had last year, in the short time I had to ride my GS1200 until the bad weather came down :(, a nagging experience with the brakes.
At one fuel stop I put the gas pump nozzle in an awkward position :blast and some fuel spilled out on the tank and under it (as I have seen some dripping down). I didn’t worry a bit about this and just wiped the tank with a bit of paper tissue in order not to stain. 5 minutes later when leaving the gas station I almost ended up in the middle of side traffic :eek: because the brakes were working much less efficient than before I pulled in for gas. Initially I thought that some gas had spilled on the front brake discs and pads and made them slippery but I checked and it wasn’t so. After that I noticed the ABS sign on board blinking. I did not pay attention to this when I first left the gas station because, as you know, the ABS light blinks for a few meters after putting the bike in motion after having the engine turned off.
To my surprise I realized that what it happened was that I had no more power assistance in the brakes: little stopping effect on normal lever pull, no “buzz” from the power brake pump when pulling the lever and no ABS. The cause of this I thought at the time to be probably an electric contact disturbed by the spilled gas. I was pretty much annoyed :mad: because such an occurrence is not unheard to happen and a serious manufacturer should foresee and protect any parts subjects to be affected by it, especially on a machine that is supposed to be as sturdy and fool-proof as the GS1200. So, a bit put off by all this I waited for the gas to evaporate and the supposedly affected contact to resume normal operation. To my even worse surprise that didn’t happen that day, nor the next one, so after another day of very slow riding and pulling very strong on the hand brake lever only to get very mediocre stopping results (as otherwise warned in the operation instructions to happen when power assistance fails) I called the dealer to set up a service appointment.
Unexpectedly, after 2 more days of keeping the bike in the garage waiting for the service appointment, when I took the bike out to leave for the dealer, brakes resumed normal operation from the moment I started the engine: the soft buzzing of the power assistance pump was there and braking was strong and efficient once again. So after riding a few miles to make sure everything was ok I called the dealer and canceled the service appointment. To this day, that amounts to cca. 200 miles after the incident, I had no more similar problems with it but a feeling of unreliability persisted.
Meanwhile I have learned that there is the option to buy the GS1200 without the ABS and I wonder if anyone here has one of these and what experience it had with it. Does the braking is still power assisted and dual linked?
I know that the ABS can be turned off even on the models that have it installed, but as I somehow lost confidence in the power assisted mechanism, not in the ABS itself, I was thinking what if I just got rid of all the electronics and gizmos (the power assistance pump, linked brakes and ABS altogether) and replace them with a more powerful pump at the lever linked directly to the front calipers (the same mechanical pump-caliper system for the back wheel) as so many other motorcycles have.
Any opinions on this? Has anyone here done such a modification, and if so with what results? Thank you.

Cheers, :beerjug:
Virgil
 
Virgil,

Although I had an ABS and servo failure a year back (caused by a faulty brake light switch) the bike still stopped. Although the brakes felt a bit wooden initially one soon gets used to it and it was safe enough to use two up with luggage over Alpine Passes. In fact once it was fixed the brakes felt too good.

Split fuel, bad weather, washing crap off with all sorts of chemicals. None of it has affected the ABS and I would be against any DIY mod to the bike's braking system.

Slightly off-topic. Can you put some spaces between paragraphs on your post. It's bloody hard to read one huge block of text and it may result in few replies.
 
... Although the brakes felt a bit wooden initially one soon gets used to it and it was safe enough to use two up with luggage over Alpine Passes. ...
Slightly off-topic. Can you put some spaces between paragraphs on your post. It's bloody hard to read one huge block of text and it may result in few replies.

Were your brakes without servo assistance that good? You must have an extremely strong left hand....:)

I have no intention to do the alteration mentioned to the original braking system myself. I will do it in a BMW specialized garage and just curious if someone else have done such a change.

Will keep in mind the observation about the required spaces in-between paragraphs. Thank you.
 
Virgil,

the ABS system does remember any faults that have occurred. If you go to the dealership they can hook it up to their computer and may be able find out what the error was.

You sound concerned about the reliablity, yet you cancelled the diagnostic appointment:nenau

There could be many causes, from known safety recall fixes to user error :
i.e. Do/did you hold the brake on when you turn the ignition on, for example ?

I am sure a debate on here could run and run, but IMHO the only really reassuring one will come from a check up at the dealers.

BTW, the ABS fault lihgt is there for a reason :thumb

Good luck, let us know how you get on.
 
I believe the master cylinders are the same for ABS and non-ABS bikes, the rear pipe can be connected directly to the rear brake cyclinder, and a BMW non-ABS front pipe fitted to operate the front brakes. This will match the standard non-ABS bike setup.

Remove ABS sensors, rings and module and flog on E-bay:aidan
 
Any opinions on this? Has anyone here done such a modification, and if so with what results? Thank you.

Cheers, :beerjug:
Virgil


I don't know about modifications but I might be able to help you with the fault...

On the brake leaver is a micro switch if it is activated when the bike is started the brake system doesn't come up to pressure. I'd a similar problem with a k1200s which had the same system. All that was needed was a tiny adjustment to the switch. Can be done with an alan key.

If it happens again push the leaver out to release the switch - if it solves the problem then it's that micro switch that needs adjusting.

Hope that helps :thumb
 
I believe the master cylinders are the same for ABS and non-ABS bikes, the rear pipe can be connected directly to the rear brake cyclinder, and a BMW non-ABS front pipe fitted to operate the front brakes. This will match the standard non-ABS bike setup.

Remove ABS sensors, rings and module and flog on E-bay:aidan

you forgot, remove abs lamp :augie


doubt it would fetch much on ebay though.
 
mcn

anyone read todays MCN
advise section - guy says hes got a BMW 800 with abs
approached a roundabout a bit fast and put the brakes on a bit heavy
at that point he hit a pot hole and the back wheel lifted
the abs thought mmmmmmmmmmm
and released the brakes
bike hit the floor again
and had alot less power at the brakes and he sailed straight out onto the roundabout cos the bike wouldnt stop
BMW said its ok its a safety thing
really doesnt sound like it to me what do you think ??????:nenau
 
i had intermittent brake failue on mine ...and a throttle jamming on elecronically at the same time ...you could re boot the ignition and it would run normal ...and then do it again for no apparant reason

when they took it in the garage it had faults no longer present and to this day no one has explained the reason for this

they kept the bike three weeks changed all electronic parts [except the loom ] rode it for three hundred miles ...delivered it back to me cured ..

while on a day trip to yorkshire i was contemplating overtaking a landrover discovery and decided agains it ...in no hurry ..i realized that the throttle was still pulling the bike forward even though it was completly shut ....i decided to brake .....no servo brakes i went down from 4th to 2nd and managed to get back in and stop ..clutch in about ten meters from the bend with the engine revving its nads off

after checking underwear and smoking twenty fags ..i restarted the bike everything was working ....

i refused to ride it again after that [litrelly] ...i was never given an explination for it
[...you guessed it fault no longer present]
i dont think they had one ...i do know it was sold on after replacing the wiring loom ?? like you you would feel better if you knew the problem had been located and fixed ..thats the bit i couldnt deal with only a few weeks before i had been riding high passes in norway with no armco on the dozens of hairpins ...like they say timing is everything ... but there is not doubt if it happed there we both would have been killed of seriously injured ... i dont know why a motorcycle needs a servo ive never had any bother without one abs or no abs
 
I don't know about modifications but I might be able to help you with the fault...

On the brake leaver is a micro switch if it is activated when the bike is started the brake system doesn't come up to pressure. I'd a similar problem with a k1200s which had the same system. All that was needed was a tiny adjustment to the switch. Can be done with an alan key.

If it happens again push the leaver out to release the switch - if it solves the problem then it's that micro switch that needs adjusting.

Hope that helps :thumb

HAD THE SAME THING THIS MORNING - JUST 40 MINS BEFORE A ROSPA ASSESSMENT RIDE.

HAD TO LEAVE THE GS BEHIND AND BORROW A VFR 800, FUEL IT UP AND DO THE PRESSURES - ALL WITH ONLY 25 MINUTES TO GO!.

THE RH HAND SHIELD GOT KNOCKED TAKING THE BIKE OUT OF THE GARAGE - AND HAD MOVED ENOUGH TO JUST HOLD THE LEVER ON THE BRAKE MICRO SWITCH. AFTER READING YOUR FEATURE I WENT OUT TO THE GARAGE AND RELEASED IT.

ALL NORMAL NOW.

IT RESETS EVEN AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE START UP CHECK ONCE THE LEVER IS RELEASED.

AND THE ASSESSMENT? - NEARLY A GOLD (GOLD/SILVER) - NOT BLAMING THE (VFR) TOOL, BUT PERHAPS IF I HAD BEEN A BIT LESS FLUSTERED .....
 
anyone read todays MCN
advise section - guy says hes got a BMW 800 with abs
approached a roundabout a bit fast and put the brakes on a bit heavy
at that point he hit a pot hole and the back wheel lifted
the abs thought mmmmmmmmmmm
and released the brakes
bike hit the floor again
and had alot less power at the brakes and he sailed straight out onto the roundabout cos the bike wouldnt stop
BMW said its ok its a safety thing
really doesnt sound like it to me what do you think ??????:nenau

The ABS is from BOSCH. Type BOSCH ABS8M. It's crap and anybody buying any bike with this flawed brakes deserves to die, if he is a serious rider. Every motorcycle mag in Germay did report about the flawes of this ABS8M in the past. It's simply flawed.

Not one single coustomers worldwide is forced to buy F-Models with ABS!

There is no excuse.
 
1200s don't have fly by wire throttles do they? I through it was cable?

they are not fly by wire, but tickover is controlled by the ECU with stepper motors on the throttle bodies. perhaps they opened the butterflies?

maybe the cable just snagged?
 


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