GS1100 Starter Motor

[Nasty1]

The Starter Motor has a nasty habit of staying engaged for a considerable time after the bike has fired and started. It does it every time and is probably starting to get worst now.

Looking at the manual it seems a simple assembly, but having had experience with car SM's they never seem to respond to stripping and cleaning. Am I likely to have better luck with this unit if I strip and clean it or am I in the wind? Should the assembly be lubricated? Again I have run the bendix drives on a car etc dry.

Would anybody with some experience got any advice?

Thanks

Adie

 

[Trippy]

I have always thought they should run dry and would think thats yours would benifit from stripping and cleaning. A friend of mine swears by graphite dust for such jobs where you dont want to attract dirt. You only need a tiny amount and it always seems to work.

 

[Noddy]

First disconnect the battery, then undo the bolts and the electrical connections and remove the starter motor. Won't take long. Then take the starter motor to your local friendly auto electrician chappie. Yup, the guy you know from the pub that overhauls starter motors and alternators etc. Have him rebuild it for about £40/50 quid and then refit it to the bike. Problem sorted.

I bet you have one of them French Velino (?) starters that the magnets always fail on. Or do a search and go and scour your local scrap yard for a suitabe starter from a Froggie car. But you will have to swap the end plate first.

DO NOT consult your local BM dealer first. £££££££££££

 

[Ash]

my 1994 r1100 rs starter failed at 40k miles[staying engaged].
and the 1999 r1100gs i got in oct/06 seemed to being doing the same so i got wooliston bmw to replace it foc before i would part with my money. i also met a chap in swiss in the summer who's starter had failed on his 1997 1100gs while away touring is it a weak point on the 1100 .
ps, got second hand unit for 1100 rs from motoworks £ 50.00

 

[Steptoe]

: is it a weak point on the 1100 .
ps

It's the same starter motor as on the 1150 - They do go wrong. But no more than any other starter motor

 

[Mick O'Malley]

I bet you have one of them French Velino (?) starters that the magnets always fail on. Or do a search and go and scour your local scrap yard for a suitabe starter from a Froggie car. But you will have to swap the end plate first.

Correctamundo. Valeo. There's an article all about it in this month's BMW Club magazine (which I've just retrieved from the recycling bin in the nick of time!). The unit's a DR6A and is found in most Peugeot 200 & 300 series cars as well as their Renault and Citroen relatives (I quote). The author paid £25 from the scrapper.

Regards, Mick

 

[Steptoe]

Correctamundo. Valeo. There's an article all about it in this month's BMW Club magazine (which I've just retrieved from the recycling bin in the nick of time!). The unit's a DR6A and is found in most Peugeot 200 & 300 series cars as well as their Renault and Citroen relatives (I quote). The author paid £25 from the scrapper.

Regards, Mick

[URL="http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91962"]KEEP[/URL] up with things.

The 1100/1150 internals are different i'm afraid

 

[Mick O'Malley]

The 1100/1150 internals are different I'm afraid

From each other, or the car versions? Surely the manufacturer wouldn't give the same part number to two different things?

Regards, Mick

 

[Steptoe]

From each other, or the car versions? Surely the manufacturer wouldn't give the same part number to two different things?

Regards, Mick

1100/1150 are the same. But different from the airheads. So you can't use the car version on your 1100/1150 .

 

[Mick O'Malley]

Got it.

Regards, Mick

 

[northengit]

The Starter Motor has a nasty habit of staying engaged for a considerable time after the bike has fired and started. It does it every time and is probably starting to get worst now.

Looking at the manual it seems a simple assembly, but having had experience with car SM's they never seem to respond to stripping and cleaning. Am I likely to have better luck with this unit if I strip and clean it or am I in the wind? Should the assembly be lubricated? Again I have run the bendix drives on a car etc dry.

Would anybody with some experience got any advice?

Thanks

Adie

Same trouble here with my 1150, I just took mine out and cleaned it with lots of wd40 , I lubed it with a small amount of anti sieze grease on re assembly that was four months ago and no probs.... bear in mind if you do get a second hand unit from the scrap man you may be buying a unit that has had a lot more use than your existing unit... I'd say try cleaning it first.

 

[Paul Young]

If it's remaining engaged, it's probably the solenoid mechanism that's got gummed up. It happened to mine a while ago but was a doddle to strip, clean & lube. It also means that the current required to run the starter increases & you get the dreaded ABS fault...

 

[Nasty1]

[URL="http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91962"]KEEP[/URL] up with things.

The 1100/1150 internals are different I'm afraid

I found that in a search before posting (see getting good tis I) but suspected it only applied to the airheads.

So there is no equivalent that can be matched for the 1100/1150?

I think I will go ahead and strip it out, give it a good douse of contact cleaner and new brushes...then see how it goes.

Thanks for your help.

Adie

 

[Nasty1]

She's dead!

Pulled out the starter motor and gave it a good going over & its totally f%cked. Bushes/bearings shot out their trees, Bendix drive worn, brushes non-existant..but the crux of the matter..nearly a third of the segments on the commutator are dead (shorted out). Its that worn the cutouts between the segments have gone.

Anyway the point of the post was to say that the SM is a Valeo D6RA75 for anybodies future reference.

Adie