Hella FF50 - type choice

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Hi all

if I am considering installing Hella FF50 lights either side of my 1200GS beak, should I go for the FOG set ot the DRIVE Set - they will probably be on most of the time for enhanced safety (so used as Driving lights) just not sure whether there are any reasons (legal or otherwise) to choose one specific type?

Note I am Not planning to HID them as I have HIDs already.

Note I have searched on here and found a thread to this
http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentGeneric.jqibmepixmfsgvdi&pageId=166916
but he does not really elaborate on why he did not go for the fogs

Rgds

Egg.
 
I have a pair fitted to my 1100 which I think are the drive type, I have them set up no higher than my dipped beam, I only use them occasionally as I have HID in main beam/dip, mine are on an independent switch/relay using the sidelight circuit for switching current.

Stewart
 
Fogs / Drives

OK so this is the scheme with Fog / Driving lamps.

FOG lamps are produced to give a wide, scattered beam intended to be used down low near to the road surface, to light the way ahead at low speeds in fog (funnily enough) and by being low down, the problem of light being bounced back by the fog and actually making it HARDER to see where you're going is (in theory) reduced.

DRIVING lamps (or "spotlamps" as they are sometimes called) are produced to give a strong, concentrated beam, which is projected well ahead (in clear conditions) to aid distance vision at night.

That's the difference between the two and they shouldn't be used in place of each other.

So, if you want to see further ahead in the dark, use Driving lamps.

Now then, to summarise what the LAW says:

FOG lamps may be used in conjunction with a vehicle's position lamps (sidelights) or headlamps (although fog lamps and headlights combined in fog are not a good idea due to the amount of light bounceback). HOWEVER, they MUST be independently switched and MUST NOT BE USED in conditions of other than seriously reduced visibility, which the Highway Code defines as being less than 100 yards. Otherwise the nasty traffic copper will give you a ticket!

DRIVING lamps must be wired so that they ONLY illuminate when the vehicle's MAIN BEAM headlamps are lit and MUST extinguish when the main beam is switched off (they MAY also have a separate switch to disable them when not required).

So, strictly speaking, neither FOG nor DRIVING lamps may be used as so called "Daytime Running Lamps" which is what we're after on a bike.

What we CAN use are "additional, optional, front position lamps" which we generally refer to as the aforementioned "Daytime Running Lamps."

Now then, we can have as many "additional, optional, front position lamps" as we want, PROVIDED they are NOT Fog lamps or Driving lamps and they are used to indicate to other road users the size, shape, width or outline of our vehicle AND are NOT set so as to cause unnecessary dazzle to other road users.

So, all in all, it's a bit of a minefield!

"Aha" I hear you say, "But how will dumb old Plod know if I'm using fog or driving lamps as 'additional, optional, front position lamps' then?"

"Easy" says Plod.

If you look closely at the glass / plastic lenses of your lights (when they're off assuming you don't want to burn out your eyballs!) you will see all sorts of little numbers and letters moulded into the lens. Some of these numbers and letters are codes which will tell you (and Plod) what the lights are intended to be, Fog, Driving, Position, Indicator, Reversing or whatever.

Chances are the average Plod won't know this, but there's always the chance that you might find an "old school" traffic copper that knows what the codes mean and then you could end up in the pooh!

So, the best advice I can give is to use Fog lights as Fog lights, Driving lights as Driving lights and Position lights as Position lights. How do you tell which is which as a layman? Read what it says on the packaging!

Otherwise, "You Pays Your Money And You Takes Your Chance!" :augie

Cheers,

Surrey Yeoman
 
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If you are going to use them more for drive lamps i would look at the Hella Micro DE's, they look well on the 1200 and make a very good drive lamp and give a good light foot print at night.

If you want any pictures of De's mounted or differnet types of brackets for them mail me on the gmail and I can send them.

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Ended up going with the Drive type, still adjusting them, looks like I will angle them down below the dipped beam as Stewart H suggested.

Spent a lot of time with shrink wrap - in effect making a small loom for the wiring with the relay that came in the box with the Hellas hiding under the tank.

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Oh and the bike is clean cos I just washed it - looked at bit odd with clean Hellas, clean (new) front tyre with the rest covered in dead bugs etc
 
FOG lamps may be used in conjunction with a vehicle's position lamps (sidelights) or headlamps (although fog lamps and headlights combined in fog are not a good idea due to the amount of light bounceback). HOWEVER, they MUST be independently switched and MUST NOT BE USED in conditions of other than seriously reduced visibility, which the Highway Code defines as being less than 100 yards. Otherwise the nasty traffic copper will give you a ticket!
That's the theory.

Doesn't seem to happen in practice... :mad:
 
Now then, to summarise what the LAW says:........

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Surrey Yeoman

The LAW actually says nowt about auxiliary lights used on motorcycles.

BTW - I've got FF50 fogs which are used in conjunction with dip and FF50 driving lamps used with main beam. Superb combination, but I agree with Les - the Micro DEs do look better.
 
Looks good EggChaser,could you please tell me what switch your using for your spots,and where you got it.
 
Could I ask what you used for the wiring loom?
Trying to find a pre made loom for a 1200gs so I don't go making a complete hash of things!
 
Could I ask what you used for the wiring loom?
Trying to find a pre made loom for a 1200gs so I don't go making a complete hash of things!

Yes have stock of the switches and I think I have a full 1200 loom in the shed :mmmm
 
Could I ask what you used for the wiring loom?
Trying to find a pre made loom for a 1200gs so I don't go making a complete hash of things!

Made my own loom with heat shrink, wire and crimp fit connectors.
Finding a location for the relay and getting the wires the correct lengths was easiest done with the tank removed.
 
Yes have stock of the switches and I think I have a full 1200 loom in the shed :mmmm

Hi Les. I'd be very interested in the 1200 loom and switch if you still have one. Should I email you via your HID 50 company so we can sort out details?

Thanks for everyones help by the way:)
 
The LAW actually says nowt about auxiliary lights used on motorcycles.

That'll be because as far as the Road Vehicle (Lighting) Regulations 1989 (as amended) are concerned, there's no such thing as an "Auxiliary Light", be it on a motorcycle, car or whatever!

What it does say is this:

"Optional lamps, reflectors, rear markings and devices
Regulation 20: Every optional lamp, reflector, rear marking or device fitted to a vehicle, being of a type (type of lamp that is - Yeoman) specified in an item in column 2 of the Table below, shall comply with the provisions shown in column 3 of that Table."

Note that it says VEHICLE, which of course includes a motorcycle!

Now the schedules and provisions are long, complex and VERY BORING, :sleep but as I said before, If it's a Fog Lamp, it must be used as a fog lamp and comply with the requirements for fog lamps. If it's a Driving Lamp (or to call it correctly, "a Main Beam Headlamp"), it must be used as a driving lamp and comply with the requirements for those.

It doesn't matter what sort of vehicle the lamp is fitted to. If it's fitted, it must comply with the reg's for that type of lamp.

So, my advice above still stands, use fogs as fogs and driving lights as driving lights.

Interestingly, I was a bit wrong when I said we could have any number of "Optional Front Position Lamps".

The regulations say this: (Schedule II, Part II)

REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OPTIONAL FRONT POSITION LAMPS

1. In the case of a solo motor bicycle first used on or after 1st April 1991 which is not fitted with any obligatory front position lamp, not more than two may be fitted which must comply with the requirement specified in paragraph 7 of Part I. Where two are fitted these shall be situated as close together as possible.

2. In the case of a solo motor bicycle first used on or after 1st April 1991 which is fitted with one obligatory front position lamp, not more than one additional lamp may be fitted which must comply with the requirement specified in paragraph 7 of Part I and shall be situated as close as possible to the obligatory front position lamp.

So, it would seem that (assuming your GS is made after 1st April 1991) going by the Law, you can only have ONE optional additional front position lamp, right next to your existing position lamp, which, for our purposes, is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. :rolleyes:

However, The good old European Union has implemented, or is in the process of implementing, a "Directive" which will require all powered vehicles produced from 2011 onwards, to have "Daytime Running Lamps" (DRL). I don't know too much about them yet, but hopefully when the Directive is absorbed into the Lighting Reg's, they will allow for a matched pair on motorcycles. That said, they may just make the manufacturers wire the motorcycle's dipped beam up so it's on all the time - assuming that's not already the case?

Like I said, if you want to run round with fog lamps or driving lamps lit other than in accordance with the Reg's, then you pays yer money and takes yer chance. :augie

On my own setup, I'm using twinned Hella FF50 driving lamps, switched with the main beam and set to light the road up well ahead like they should. These are coupled with a pair of Ring "Illuminators" (which are actually fog lamps) and those are set to come on permanently with the dipped beam. That said, I've swapped the 55 watt bulbs for 35 watt bulbs, to reduce the drain on the battery a bit and have set them carefully, so they don't dazzle oncoming vehicles or melt the bloke in front's rear view mirrors. Not strictly in compliance with the Reg's, but that's the chance I'm prepared to take to make myself that little bit more visible.

Stay safe!
 

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