Help - Anti-wheelie stopping me loving the bike!!!

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Looking for some help or suggestions from the collective here......... As title says I am struggling to fall in love with my new (ish) GS and I think it is the bloody anti wheelie to blame! Let me explain before I am chastised for being an irresponsible nutcase etc :D

I got the bike new in March and have done about 3500 miles in a mixture of some commuting, blasts and a trip round Scotland so have got to know it pretty well.

The one thing (and it is the only thing) stopping me bonding completely with the bike is the fact it has anti wheelie. I rarely "hoist a minger" mostly because I'm not that good but do very occasionally want to pop one up and I am extremely frustrated that the bike is deciding that I am not allowed.........

Having thought about this long and hard I don't think it is the fact that I cant wheelie the GS as I have had plenty of under powered bikes where my mechanical sympathy prevented me torturing them up which had the same effect as the anti wheelie but the fact that the bike is making this decision for me is beginning to really, really annoy me. is there anything I can do?

I had it re-mapped by Geoff at Hilltop after its running in service and am really impressed (don't want to discuss the re-map here, that's been done to death!) and at the same time asked him if he could do anything about the anti wheelie which he said he could improve it but not turn it off completely without loosing the TC functionality.

To that end it still isn't any better and I don't want to ride round in "Enduro Pro" all of the time as I don't want to loose the other related electronic nannies.......

I suppose the question is can I remove the anti wheelie without affecting anything else or do I have to just live with it. It is beginning to become such a psychological issue I am considering changing the bike because of it!!!!!!
 
I take it you have not read the manual that came with the bike, it tells you exactly how to turn the function off, all it takes is a press of one button on the left switch gear, however I think you look a right cock trying to wheelie a gs, it ain't the bike to do so.

 
I am going immediately out to the garage and will read the manual................... If I have just asked a completely idiotic question and the answer is indeed bloody obvious I will hang my head in shame whilst the well deserved tirade of abuse begins................. gulp!
 
So just to be clear, you would be popping the bike up on the back wheel if it wasn't for an electronic hindrance.... Have yo tried standing on the seat with your boot hooked into the back rack?
 
Mate ! That bike will wheelie all day long. I did it and wrote mine off, would do it all again (not righting it off that would be silly)
It's a fantastic bike to lift up and so easy.
Have fun !!!!


Sent from Space
 
Ha, Ha, Ha very good.............:P.

This wasn't supposed to be a contentious thread and I do have a serious question which I will try to explain a bit better (fully aware that the following does not follow sensible logic!)

I am not a "riding god" nor am I a wannabe "Star Boyz" member, indeed I rarely if ever feel the urge to lift the front wheel but knowing that the bike won't allow it even if I did is annoying me. I know this is irrational and indeed a bit weird but hey, that's how it is.

I know you can engage say Enduro-pro mode but I think this also dials down the throttle response etc from dynamic?

My simple question is can you ride in a mode which has all of the characteristics of Dynamic (including TC and ABS) without the anti-wheelie or not? I suppose a different way of asking this would be how does the anti wheelie work? - is it simply the TC sensing a difference in wheel speed or is it more than that? if it is just TC then the answer is obviously you can't retain TC with Anti-Wheelie turned off!

Let the flaming commence :D
 
tomodan said:
Ha, Ha, Ha very good.............:P.

This wasn't supposed to be a contentious thread and I do have a serious question which I will try to explain a bit better (fully aware that the following does not follow sensible logic!)

I am not a "riding god" nor am I a wannabe "Star Boyz" member, indeed I rarely if ever feel the urge to lift the front wheel but knowing that the bike won't allow it even if I did is annoying me. I know this is irrational and indeed a bit weird but hey, that's how it is.

I know you can engage say Enduro-pro mode but I think this also dials down the throttle response etc from dynamic?

My simple question is can you ride in a mode which has all of the characteristics of Dynamic (including TC and ABS) without the anti-wheelie or not? I suppose a different way of asking this would be how does the anti wheelie work? - is it simply the TC sensing a difference in wheel speed or is it more than that? if it is just TC then the answer is obviously you can't retain TC with Anti-Wheelie turned off!

Let the flaming commence :D
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Yes it's determined by the traction control as you mention, turn the TC off and you can hoist a minger to your heart's content and in whatever mode you choose, have fun :D
 
This bike was meant to be on the back wheel- torquey engine- high C of G and all that-but Dynamic is too snatchy for proper control. Put it in Road and switch off the TC- ABS button on left just hold it in a little and the circle comes up on the dash. This still means you have ABS but not TC ( to be honest the TC is very intrusive anyway and I only use it in the wet ) Bikes not really powerful enough to truly need it.

Clever people those Germans- once this is off the bike remembers it- so remove the key go about your business- come back to the bike and put in key ( TC light still on! )- try doing that with a KTM, Aprilia etc etc.
 
Interestingly I have a variation on this coming from a super Tenere, the anti wheelie means it's difficult to get away quickly without kangarooing down the road as the anti wheelie is quite harsh, or late to kick in. On the super ten it was quite soft so you could give it some stick right off the line.
I'm having to back off when I'm eager to get away. I need to practice more clearly. :aidan
 
eh???

The bike doesn't have anti wheelie? it has traction control which kicks in when the front wheel goes up in the air and starts spinning a tad slower than the rear. Opposite to what you've said, it was the fact you can turn the TC on/off on the fly that i really liked about this bike and couldn't do on any of the others i tested (1190 adv, Super 10, tracer, Triumph tiger & explorer). They all make you stop and turn off the TC, which inhibits wheelies on all of them. ON the BMW it turns off with one button whilst riding and you can bugger about until your hearts content! then push it again and you have the traction control safety net.

The bikes with anti-wheelie, like the multistrada maintain traction control whilst allowing you to wheelie (to varying degrees).

Did you find the off button yet?? :)
 
interesting.
Ducati Web Site said:
The Ducati Wheelie Control (DWC) algorithm is computed by the BBS (BlackBoxSystem unit) and it uses wheels speed, roll and pitch angle (provided by Bosch IMU), longitudinal acceleration signals
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The GS just compares wheel speed, or does it do more? (2016 model excluded)
 
My poor choice of words, I'm really talking about the harshness of the cut in. S10 was nice and soft meaning you could really gass it from a standing start, GSA is a hard cut in so you need to be gentler off the line otherwise you end up kangarooing down the road.
 
Want to wheelie call this guy and ask him how
 
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