help route planning

[Xchallenge]

So i posted this another sub forum but seems like this could be a good place for it!

Looking to get from near Holmfirth up to near Wendsleydale, taking in as many green lanes as possible and avoiding anything bigger then average A roads!

Any help would be appreciated in the form of a GPX track or I need to buy a load of maps and go scouting!

 

[julio100]

JB

So i posted this another sub forum but seems like this could be a good place for it!

Looking to get from near Holmfirth up to near Wendsleydale, taking in as many green lanes as possible and avoiding anything bigger then average A roads!

Any help would be appreciated in the form of a GPX track or I need to buy a load of maps and go scouting!

where's JB when someone needs him must be raining.

 

[Steve R]

So i posted this another sub forum but seems like this could be a good place for it!

Looking to get from near Holmfirth up to near Wendsleydale, taking in as many green lanes as possible and avoiding anything bigger then average A roads!

Any help would be appreciated in the form of a GPX track or I need to buy a load of maps and go scouting!

No answers? It seems that no-one in Yorkshire goes for rides or knows where to ride. Cue bull and red rag.

I live in Derbyshire but am from Northumberland so have to cross the Dales occasionally. If it's not too late for your trip, check Ordnance Survey maps online (www.streetmap.co.uk) 1:50.000 or 1:25,000. Look for tracks that are shown as green crosses (1:25,000) or red crosses (1:50,000) or a series of dots (red or green) that denote other types of tracks with vehicular access.

There's a fantastic track that heads SW to Tan Hill Inn.

Two tracks head south from Stalling Busk and merge then continue south. Use the west fork to access it from the north, there's too many gates on the right fork.

Near Askrigg there's a track from Crackpot up to Summer Lodge and beyond. You'll need knobblies and slightly larger than average testicles to climb it on a big GS.

All of these appear on my Garmin 550.

Just posted a two-part video of Summer Lodge on YouTube for you. It's steeper than it looks in the video, as always. I was in a Suzuki Grand Vitara in low box 2nd but I'd do it on my R80GS with TKC80s. But only going up. I wouldn't like to ride down it.

Have fun.

Steve.

 

[Steve R]

Put Summer Lodge into YouTube and you'll see them or search my page - 87parisdakarsteve.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Google maps ( or the dreaded BAsecamp) will be your friend on this one I am afraid as the direct route takes you through the dark satanic mills "corridor" once you get north of leeds JB is your man

 

[Xchallenge]

Thanks for the reply Steve,

I have bought a load of OS paper maps so I can plot a route and then turn it into a gpx track

I shall have a look and try find the tracks you have suggested!

 

[Steve R]

You're welcome. Also check out Kirkby Malzeard Moor to the west of Ripon.

Another great way of finding tracks is to visit www.wetroads.co.uk. It's a database of about 2,400 UK fords. They're listed by county with links to photos and Streetmap locations and are often on vehicle byways. There's a Google map of the locations too. And, you can also download the database from the homepage and it will by magic appear of Google Earth! You'll see little blue dots all over the UK (you can change them for bigger, brighter ones in settings). When you click on one there's a link to the wetroads entry for it which opens in Google Earth. Honestly, the hours I've spent in that.....

Steve.

 

[AdamA]

http://maps.northyorks.gov.uk/connect/analyst/?mapcfg=Out_and_About

Select BOAT and Unclassified roads. Deselect everything else.

 

[Steve R]

That's interesting Adam. The N Yorks map shows the track from Scar House reservoir to Middlesmoor as a byway open to all traffic, whilst it's marked as a footpath on the OS map. I thought the NERC legislation a few years back did away with dual status routes. Is N Yorks CC telling us we can ride on that particular footpath? If so, great. I did it years ago on my second G/S. It's fantastic.

Steve.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

That's interesting Adam. The N Yorks map shows the track from Scar House reservoir to Middlesmoor as a byway open to all traffic, whilst it's marked as a footpath on the OS map. I thought the NERC legislation a few years back did away with dual status routes. Is N Yorks CC telling us we can ride on that particular footpath? If so, great. I did it years ago on my second G/S. It's fantastic.

Steve.

Badly washed out now

Pretty difficult up or down on anything bigger than a 650

Go slow as it's thronged by walkers - sometimes you can count up to 50 at a time

Deadman' s on the north side of the dam has a 18 month TRO & is verboten

All these trails are fine on a map or computer screen - however on the ground you can soon run into trouble on your own and/or on a big pseudo trail bike

I was out around Masham last night for an hour and when you know which lanes are fine, you can avoid others

One had a fallen tree halfway up it, you would have buried a big GS as there was no way to turn it around

If you don't know where you are going join the TRF and do it with friends

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

http://maps.northyorks.gov.uk/connect/analyst/?mapcfg=Out_and_About

Select BOAT and Unclassified roads. Deselect everything else.

You have to cross reference with the North Yorkshire Highways roadworks maps too - as the TRO plan is accelerating up here

Not accurate on a computer screen, some lanes are not suitable for bigger bikes

Don't ride alone unless you have previous local knowledge as after last winters rains a lot of the lanes have changed dramatically and are nearly impassable in places

 

[AdamA]

That's interesting Adam. The N Yorks map shows the track from Scar House reservoir to Middlesmoor as a byway open to all traffic, whilst it's marked as a footpath on the OS map. I thought the NERC legislation a few years back did away with dual status routes. Is N Yorks CC telling us we can ride on that particular footpath? If so, great. I did it years ago on my second G/S. It's fantastic.

Steve.

1:50000 OS shows as Bridleway. 1:25000 shows as BOAT.
At the end of the day neither mean anything though. Its what is on the definitive map that counts.

You have to cross reference with the North Yorkshire Highways roadworks maps too - as the TRO plan is accelerating up here

Not accurate on a computer screen, some lanes are not suitable for bigger bikes

Don't ride alone unless you have previous local knowledge as after last winters rains a lot of the lanes have changed dramatically and are nearly impassable in places

Never intended to show where you are capable of riding, just where you legally can (as long as not TRO'd).

As you say, TRF is the way ahead.

 

[2gses]

Deadmans

TRO Deadmans

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Never intended to show where you are capable of riding, just where you legally can (as long as not TRO'd).

As you say, TRF is the way ahead.

Indeed
But I can show you a particular lane on a map or computer screen that you can ride

It starts off very gentle - but after 100 metres is something akin to a Trials bike route, without warning and once in it you have no chance of turning around so you are well and truly fucked

Looks fine on a map, you wouldn't know, but once you'd trundled in unaware you'd never get out on anything more than a 250

Local knowledge is key or walk them first

 

[Deleted account 200502001]

Indeed
But I can show you a particular lane on a map or computer screen that you can ride

It starts off very gentle - but after 100 metres is something akin to a Trials bike route, without warning and once in it you have no chance of turning around so you are well and truly fucked

Looks fine on a map, you wouldn't know, but once you'd trundled in unaware you'd never get out on anything more than a 250

Does that include a well ridden GS?

 

[AdamA]

Indeed
But I can show you a particular lane on a map or computer screen that you can ride

It starts off very gentle - but after 100 metres is something akin to a Trials bike route, without warning and once in it you have no chance of turning around so you are well and truly fucked

Looks fine on a map, you wouldn't know, but once you'd trundled in unaware you'd never get out on anything more than a 250

Local knowledge is key or walk them first

Im agreeing. Im not sure why you are labouring.

 

[JoeBiff]

Thanks for the reply Steve,

I have bought a load of OS paper maps so I can plot a route and then turn it into a gpx track

I shall have a look and try find the tracks you have suggested!

Did you know that OS maps now have that facility with their online subscription service?
For £20 annual subscription, it makes it a lot easier than using the paper things.
I've just been using it for a few trails in Scotland...

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Does that include a well ridden GS?

In your case, yes

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Im agreeing. Im not sure why you are labouring.

Because just sticking up online mapping, like you did ....for others who don't know the area, terrain or the routes ..... is foolhardy

Just like the Tesco delivery drivers who follow their sat nav directions blindly when it shows them to go down Summer Lodge

They just open the gate & drive down the stony track and get stuck - never using their eyes & noggins to see how rocky & rough it is & ignoring the effing great blue sign ' Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles' ....deeming a Sprinter ain't gonna make it

 

[AdamA]

Because just sticking up online mapping, like you did ....for others who don't know the area, terrain or the routes ..... is foolhardy

Just like the Tesco delivery drivers who follow their sat nav directions blindly when it shows them to go down Summer Lodge

They just open the gate & drive down the stony track and get stuck - never using their eyes & noggins to see how rocky & rough it is & ignoring the effing great blue sign ' Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles' ....deeming a Sprinter ain't gonna make it

Oh Im foolhardy. Thanks for letting me know.