brucewayne
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That'll be the HG MASTER then
Mind you, can only afford the Jacket this year and will have to go with me Sheltec pants until next year, when i can try and match with the MASTER bib trousers.
HG Master vs Twat Jacket
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That'll be the HG MASTER then
Mind you, can only afford the Jacket this year and will have to go with me Sheltec pants until next year, when i can try and match with the MASTER bib trousers.
Steve
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That'll be the HG MASTER then
Mind you, can only afford the Jacket this year
They ain't cheap are they?
I was fortunate enough to get my Master IV suit at the Heine Gericke tent at the BMF a couple of years ago - £40 for the jacket, and £30 for the trousers!
brucewayne
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They ain't cheap are they?
I was fortunate enough to get my Master IV suit at the Heine Gericke tent at the BMF a couple of years ago - £40 for the jacket, and £30 for the trousers!
£40!
We're they smoking anything in that tent? That's amazing...
Jackets
last year for the trans am run I brought a s/h twat suit from this site very good, as the trip started in Alaska (not warm) and went through hot climates
I gat a gerbing heated jacket as well, Alaske was ridden witha tee shirt gerbing (with sleeves) and twat jacket and all was well, when the sun came out in Arazona (approx 103f) the twat came in to it's own excellent venting
ideal for hot weather but not much good in the cold on their own. I would recommend them for hot climates having just ridden though Greece (40C) and the venting was briliiant.
last year for the trans am run I brought a s/h twat suit from this site very good, as the trip started in Alaska (not warm) and went through hot climates
I gat a gerbing heated jacket as well, Alaske was ridden witha tee shirt gerbing (with sleeves) and twat jacket and all was well, when the sun came out in Arazona (approx 103f) the twat came in to it's own excellent venting
ideal for hot weather but not much good in the cold on their own. I would recommend them for hot climates having just ridden though Greece (40C) and the venting was briliiant.
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I have a R2 but would never use it in the winter as it's too flimsy for sure. I have a Dainese winter gore-tex which i found to be reasoanbly priced and toasty too.
The R2 is more of a Spring/Summer jacket imho.
Trev
The R2 is more of a Spring/Summer jacket imho.
Trev
The only possible problem with using a heated jacket is that you would probably render the goretex liner useless,as if you apply heat,goretex leaks,as proven if you turn on heated grips with goretex gloves.
You would think for the extortionate money they charge,BMW could make the Twat Suit usable for more than just a couple of months a year without having to resort to adding extra layers.
And possibly employ a sighted adult to design the colour scheme next time !
Anyone with half a brain at least knows that there is no such thing as a 4 season jacket
True but my Streetguard does a passable impression.
Anyone with half a brain at least knows that there is no such thing as a 4 season jacket
The Twat is barely a 1 season jacket,judging by my mate having to go buy an oversuit in May last year just to keep warm !!
Adventure Stu
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The twat suit does have it's pro's and con's.
Pro's -
very comfy
well ventilated, to the point that the outer sleeves can be removed in extreme heat without losing the armour.
very versatile
Con's -
expensive
only one waterproof pocket, and it's in the liner
not particularly warm due to the number of vents/zips. Although with liner, t-shirt, fleece and a fag paper thin "silk" top on, I managed an 8hr ride to Stirling on a K1200S wearing it.
waterproofing is in the liner which is also the "thermal". Which is a PITA when it's hot and wet. Granted the vents can still be left open and you won't get wet, but i'd rather not rely on air flow alone keeping me cool.
With hindsight, when it comes time for a change my money will be going to HG or RUKKA.
Pro's -
very comfy
well ventilated, to the point that the outer sleeves can be removed in extreme heat without losing the armour.
very versatile
Con's -
expensive
only one waterproof pocket, and it's in the liner
not particularly warm due to the number of vents/zips. Although with liner, t-shirt, fleece and a fag paper thin "silk" top on, I managed an 8hr ride to Stirling on a K1200S wearing it.
waterproofing is in the liner which is also the "thermal". Which is a PITA when it's hot and wet. Granted the vents can still be left open and you won't get wet, but i'd rather not rely on air flow alone keeping me cool.
With hindsight, when it comes time for a change my money will be going to HG or RUKKA.
Totally agreed - simply 2 different products
I have a Savanna suit (same as Rallye) for Summer riding/touring and a Streetguard 2 for Autumn and Spring riding/touring
Plus a Rukka for winter riding
Big Lee
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If you`re using the kit for commuting why not keep an eye on ebay and get the HG jackets from there? I`ve just had a look on ebay and there`s some cracking kit being sold that I`d be happy to ride through winter in and you can buy some pile of kit for the price of £500
IMO you need a heated vest, my Klan is worth it`s weight in gold and even if you don`t switch it on it`s another insulating layer until you need it
IMO you need a heated vest, my Klan is worth it`s weight in gold and even if you don`t switch it on it`s another insulating layer until you need it
I, like many, went out and bought the BMW suit when I first got my GSA. And although I love the look, I have my reservations in its practicality....
.....I have only used it once on a trip (to Switzerland in October), but I just found it too cold in the arms area. It's just not padded enough.
I found the body fine...so wearing a fleece would be fine for the arms, but leave you baking in the body areas.
I also found the outer pockets completely un-waterproof.....as in...don't even bother putting anything in them if there is even a sign of rain!!
Since the trip it has rarely (nearly never) ever made it out of the wardrobe...and I would certainly never wear it on a trip as it is too impractable…and that really is not a sign of a good product.
I also think when you wear it down to the shops you can look a bit ‘corporate’, and the Revit has more individuality.
I have tried on the Revit jacket and was impressed. It seems a well made product, and if I had the choice now I wouldn't hesitate in choosing that over the BMW suit...and at £500ish it's a hell of a lot cheaper too.
.....I have only used it once on a trip (to Switzerland in October), but I just found it too cold in the arms area. It's just not padded enough.
I found the body fine...so wearing a fleece would be fine for the arms, but leave you baking in the body areas.
I also found the outer pockets completely un-waterproof.....as in...don't even bother putting anything in them if there is even a sign of rain!!
Since the trip it has rarely (nearly never) ever made it out of the wardrobe...and I would certainly never wear it on a trip as it is too impractable…and that really is not a sign of a good product.
I also think when you wear it down to the shops you can look a bit ‘corporate’, and the Revit has more individuality.
I have tried on the Revit jacket and was impressed. It seems a well made product, and if I had the choice now I wouldn't hesitate in choosing that over the BMW suit...and at £500ish it's a hell of a lot cheaper too.
everywherevirtually
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I bought the HG JOURNEY GTX pants and HG PADDOCK GTX jacket for the winter months. When it was really cold I would wear a fleece underneath. For the summer this year I bought a BMW Santiago jacket which was great in the 36c heat of eastern Austria a few weeks ago. It was a bit chilly in the German Alps so I used the liner from the HG jacket for waterproofing. The Santiago has a tailored fit so not much room for a fleece, and so on the return journey I was pretty cold when riding towards Boulogne-Sur-Mer at 3am in a thunderstorm.
The next day I met a chap at the ferry who was slamming the Twat suits lack of waterproof pockets. He had his mobile phone, passport and other items in sandwich bags. I thought it was hilarious until I realised my passport was in the outer pocket that wasn't the waterproofed one and I discovered that my passport was pretty soggy from the rain the night before. His sandwich bags seemed quite an appealing accessory after that 
The next day I met a chap at the ferry who was slamming the Twat suits lack of waterproof pockets. He had his mobile phone, passport and other items in sandwich bags. I thought it was hilarious until I realised my passport was in the outer pocket that wasn't the waterproofed one and I discovered that my passport was pretty soggy from the rain the night before.
His sandwich bags seemed quite an appealing accessory after that Wnter wear
Why not Rukka?
Why not Rukka?
HG Master
I had one from AndyT of this parish. Its a great coat but hot hot very cosy not even used the thermal liner. I'm looking for something more lightweight for summer weather (what summer !!)
The master did however do its job recently when I had an off so I have to get the Kevlar fixed but have found where that can be arranged
Cheers
Mike
I had one from AndyT of this parish. Its a great coat but hot hot very cosy not even used the thermal liner. I'm looking for something more lightweight for summer weather (what summer !!)
The master did however do its job recently when I had an off so I have to get the Kevlar fixed but have found where that can be arranged
Cheers
Mike
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The HG Master is a competitor to the Streetguard not Rallye 2 or the even more expensive Rukka.
HG do a Rallye 2 competitor jacket which is cheaper and some here say better.
HG do a Rallye 2 competitor jacket which is cheaper and some here say better.
WindyChuffer
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Guys one thing you are missing here is the concept of a layered approach. Its impractical for any garment to rely on a single layer, regardless of the sport or activity.
I don't think its possible or practical to rely on a single jacket / trouser combo being warm enough. Skiing/boarding is a good example - you spend a lot of time sitting around queuing / riding lifts and a lot of time working hard coming down the slope.
You need to complement it with layers accordinging to what the temperature is and what you are doing.
Invest in good quality thermal layers and a good wind proof jacket and you are suited. Vary the layers according to what you are doing.
I've done many '000s of winter miles in my Twat suiit. On cold days for a long ride I wear my skiing thermals, sometimes a light weight fleece jacket to. Sometimes I get too hot and take a layer off.
Last year I bought a Gerbing heated jacket. Best thing since sliced bread. Thermals no longer needed, and layered approach is replaced by heat controller.
Have just ordered the heated trouser liner, and thinking about the heated insoles too.
I don't think its possible or practical to rely on a single jacket / trouser combo being warm enough. Skiing/boarding is a good example - you spend a lot of time sitting around queuing / riding lifts and a lot of time working hard coming down the slope.
You need to complement it with layers accordinging to what the temperature is and what you are doing.
Invest in good quality thermal layers and a good wind proof jacket and you are suited. Vary the layers according to what you are doing.
I've done many '000s of winter miles in my Twat suiit. On cold days for a long ride I wear my skiing thermals, sometimes a light weight fleece jacket to. Sometimes I get too hot and take a layer off.
Last year I bought a Gerbing heated jacket. Best thing since sliced bread. Thermals no longer needed, and layered approach is replaced by heat controller.
Have just ordered the heated trouser liner, and thinking about the heated insoles too.
brucewayne
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Off the back of this thread and the realisation that no one jacket can do everything I took the plunge (or rather the 0% credit card) and got a Master V.
It does what it says on the tin, I'm dry and toasty and it's just made me realise how crap my Jet Road gloves are...
It does what it says on the tin, I'm dry and toasty and it's just made me realise how crap my Jet Road gloves are...
mylovelyhorse
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After two Master V jackets, both of which let in huge amounts of water, I got a refund. And not without argue :-(
I'll not buy an H-G jacket again.
