HID Conversion could be illegal ??

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Mattiwel on the adv site found this;
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

From what i can tell, the gist of it is, if you fit HID then you need to fit HID rated lens/reflector/mounts as well. Or your illegal?

New bikes with them fitted are ok..

I went with standard "extra" lights, but was considering a HID since seeing a few in action. Anyone body in the trade able to give their take on it?
 
Mattiwel on the adv site found this;
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

From what i can tell, the gist of it is, if you fit HID then you need to fit HID rated lense/reflector/mounts as well. Or your illegal?

New bikes with them fitted are ok..

I went with standard "extra" lights, but was considering a HID since seeing a few in action. Anyone body in the trade able to give their take on it?

Where can I buy a 'lense' then?

Never seen one of those before.
 
Mattiwel on the adv site found this;
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

From what i can tell, the gist of it is, if you fit HID then you need to fit HID rated lens/reflector/mounts as well. Or your illegal?

New bikes with them fitted are ok..

I went with standard "extra" lights, but was considering a HID since seeing a few in action. Anyone body in the trade able to give their take on it?

I think that you are more likely to be struck by a meteorite than get done for this 'offense' :spl1f: Don't worry so much
 
There was a time when flashing LED lights were not legal on push-bikes, despite the fact they were better and more visible and probably saved a few lives. Now they are. Legislation takes its time to catch up.

The DoT web page states that HID headlights have to be self leveling and self cleaning. I'm sure the HIDs fitted as standard on the R1200RT don't have either.
 
Sod that! I fitted my R12GS with them a few months ago, (a small mod to retrofit the OEM Lights). Work a treat and much safer in the dark. Well worth it, I'll take my chances with being more visible and having more visability in the dark. Most coppers wouldn't pull you for them.
Coincidently, i got the kit from a supplier in China for only €69.

Red,
 
Wrong, within the strict technicalities of the law, they are.....
However, I use to be a rebel without a cause but now I have one.... :Aurelius
 
Mines gone through 2 mots and if you fit the 4700k units they aren't so blue and are therefore less noticable although the difference is still amazing.

Waiting for Les Wassall to sort me out a couple of replacement bulbs at the mo, my lights are so piss poor compared to before, I can't wait to be HID again.

I'd rather have better vision that could save my life and run the risk of a fine personally.

Biggest problem is kids in corsas with 8000k units in that are almost purple, these are definately gonna get you busted in the near future.
 
On doing a bit of Googling :rolleyes: I don't think the regs apply to motorcycles. The DoT factsheet states that "The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this."

However, on looking here which describes type approval for motorcycles it states: "Headlamps on motorcycles are not required to have any approval markings" The type approval regs simply regulate the wattage of bulbs for headlights.

As for the Old Bill being likely to pull you - they won't. However, VoSA may get a bee in their bonnet about HIDs and start pulling users. Having said that, on looking at my books, they'd only be able to prohibit a vehicle if it was causing dazzle.
 
I'm sure the HIDs fitted as standard on the R1200RT don't have either.
The 1200RT doesn't have hids, well none of the ones I've ridden or been with anyway, just bloody good reflectors.


I had my MOT the other day, and I was advised to take my hids out as there wasn't a clear defined beam. There was too much bleed through of light. It only passed it's MOT because I knew the tester and he knows if he gives me an advisory that it will get done
 
K1200GT SE has them, but it also has remotely adjustable suspension.
 
I think a lot of the regs only apply to factory fit items on cars, e.g the lamp washers, etc.

Agree re: the flashing LEDS, up until about 1992 you could get away with anything as long as it had a "bulb" that made LEDs illegal as they don't have a glowing filament. From about 1993 all new bikes had to have lights that fitted the new BS standard. I knew a local copper who swapped his old ever readys onto his new police bike, if I was to be stopped by him for something I was all set to point this out, thankfully common sense seems to have prevailed here and if you have visible lights you get left alone. iirc the regs say you can't fit flashing lights to your vehicle (i.e. push bike) but can fit them to your person, but your bike has to have lights even if you are lit up.:rolleyes:
 
Here's the e-mail I got from the relevant government department. The bottom line is that if you fit HIDs the only thing you could get done for is 'dazzling oncoming vehicles' which is a subjective issue and is completely the opinion of the police/VoSA person. And it may well be an interesting test case in court (how do you define 'dazzle:confused:)

Anyroads:-

All new motorcycles sold in Europe must have European Whole Vehicle Type Approval, it is not possible to obtain this approval for a motorcycle fitted with HID lamps. This is because there are a number of technical issues that have not been overcome for motorcycles.

When passenger car manufacturers obtain European Type Approval for vehicles fitted with HID lamps they are required to fit automatic headlamp levelling and automatic headlamp cleaners. The reason for this is the need to reduce glare to oncoming drivers due to the high luminous flux of these lamps. Automatic levelling ensures that the lights remain aimed at the correct angle downwards under all vehicle loading conditions. Automatic cleaners, designed to operate the first time the windscreen washers are used when the lights are switched on, are necessary because dirty headlamps are a major cause of glare. Putting these two devices on a motorcycle posses significant problems for the manufacturers. Automatic headlamp levelling requires the addition of some form of electric motor to move the lamp correctly and a sensor to automatically adjust the light. This adds significant expense to the cost of the motorcycle. Headlamp cleaning also adds expense and is difficult to apply since the most likely result is that the rider will be covered in cleaning fluid when the cleaners are activated. Further problems arise on motorcycles due to their ability to lean over which may also result in increased glare from the lamp.

European Whole Vehicle Type Approval is only required for new vehicles. Once the motorcycle has been registered for use on the road in the UK it is then required to comply with the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations (RVLR). As you point out, RVLR does not require lamps to be marked to show approval with the appropriate European Directive and there is no specific prohibition from the use of HID. However, RVLR does require that lamps should not be used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to other persons using the road, Regulation 27. For this reason I do not believe it would be acceptable to retrofit HID lamps to a motorcycle unless measures are put in place to reduce the possibility of glare. I suggest as a minimum these should be as stated above for passenger cars but additional measures may also be necessary.

The above information is provided by way of advice. Only the courts can provide an authoritative interpretation of regulations. It is the responsibility of the vehicle owner/driver to ensure that the vehicle at all times, when used on the public roads, complies with the appropriate legislation.
 


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