Hilltop Eu4

[Stevie4scoops]

You are spot on but you will get slagged off for pointing it out - get ready to duck

I always held the view that if improvements could be made the manufacturers would have done it but hadn't considered that manufacturers have to comply with lots of rules/regulations so mess up the fuelling at certain RPMs to do so.

Had I not read the many threads on bikes that had been Hilltopped, I wouldn't have taken the time, trouble and expense of riding to Leicestershire but am pleased I did and have done so more than once.

I think the moral of my reply is: Don't mock it till you've tried it.

I'm surprised someone with your computer software/electronic experience/expertise wouldn't appreciate that engine management software being re-written in a way that the engineer/engine designer would have liked to have done it would improve the performance significantly

 

[bod]

Amazing that no comment is made when folks waste money on end cans, when for the same money or less the bike can be improved for torque, throttle response and mpg.

I have no interest in having my bike Hilltopped because I'm perfectly happy how it runs, but people are free to spend their money however they like.

If spending money having a remap does it for you then good luck.

Shame neither of you have 12 quid to keep the Sunseeker running for a few hundred yards.

 

[stick]

I haven't had my bike Hilltopped I'm doing that on Saturday. I am basing my decision to go have this done on the large majority of those who have been and given positive reports. I will give an honest opinion after my visit and another a month later to let you know if the fuel consumption has been affected.
What are you basing your opinion on?


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Hi , I have had 5 bikes done by Geoff , a 2005 R1200 gs ,1200 Multi strada 2010 ,2013 R1200 GS Lc ( two done as had engine replaced ) and a 2015 R1200 Gs .
Also 5 mates have also had bike done from R1's to Aprilla Dorsoduro Triumphs.
All have said the same , its not a tune only a remap to make the bike run as the sales brochures say , I can confirm that every bike I have taken there has run so much better and as it should.
Just waiting to get my 2017 bike done but not run in yet and I'm riding off road now so its tucked up in my garage.
Hope this is a reasonable answer.
Cant comment on the fuel as not bothered to be honest , use it , refill it , happy days

 

[stick]

My first 1200 came hilltopped, so can't comment on improvement ... but still ran like a lumpy bag of shite after 5 years on a Honda.
The twincam was far better than the hilltopped bike, and in my opinion needed no fettling.
The WC has ample power & I wouldn't dream of messing with it.
If I want smooth turbine performance there are plenty of options out there.

I can't comment on the Euro4 model, but neither can everybody in this thread planning on getting it done.

Att summed up this section in the pub with his "not knowing what to spend their money on next" comment.

Take a 15 grand premium best selling motorcycle and throw £350 at it for a software update.

If it were a track day GSXR1000, for sure Geoff is the man - I agree!

But c'mon, a quartet of fat middle aged tossers handing over a grand for a mornings work to enhance their twin pot tractor needs to consider supporting a local charity to enhance their lives.

Hope this enlightens you!

It does indeed , but you cant compare a flat twin with a (snorrrr) Honda , different bikes.
Yes the Lc has ample power for some but like my recent post the remap gets rid of the euro bollocks that plagues bike manufacture in Europe.
I have seen the low strangled figures of the production bikes , all Geoff does is remove the noose and get the bike to run how Hans the designer wished.
The bike will have the sort of figures that the brochure boast of... Plus after spending £15k whats another £350 , same as a nice meal , so not really a problem.
As a last comment I cant wait for BM to make a more powerful engine as the chassis on this bike is so good , need more tyre choice.
Only my opinion tho as I'm sure your right in what you say , horses for courses , and I'm not fat , I am ripped ,middle aged and full of beans

 

[stick]

You are spot on but you will get slagged off for pointing it out - get ready to duck

Ill shoot don't Duck ........... Only kidding lol

PS Don't ban me again Mod as I am being really nice and I'm drinking Tea xx

 

[J biker]

Shame neither of you have 12 quid to keep the Sunseeker running for a few hundred yards.

Nice.

Just run out as it happens to renew or not.

Then again, some real tossers on here.

 

[R1200GSAPilot]

Hi , I have had 5 bikes done by Geoff , a 2005 R1200 gs ,1200 Multi strada 2010 ,2013 R1200 GS Lc ( two done as had engine replaced ) and a 2015 R1200 Gs .
Also 5 mates have also had bike done from R1's to Aprilla Dorsoduro Triumphs.
All have said the same , its not a tune only a remap to make the bike run as the sales brochures say , I can confirm that every bike I have taken there has run so much better and as it should.
Just waiting to get my 2017 bike done but not run in yet and I'm riding off road now so its tucked up in my garage.
Hope this is a reasonable answer.
Cant comment on the fuel as not bothered to be honest , use it , refill it , happy days

There are 6 of us going on Saturday and your comments above have reassured me.
If it goes as I hope, there will be some more group discount dates for the new owners of 2017.
Thank you.
John S


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[Skid06]

.......But c'mon, a quartet of fat middle aged tossers handing over a grand for a mornings work to enhance their twin pot tractor needs to consider supporting a local charity to enhance their lives.

Hope this enlightens you!

They are doing it................................because they can![/QUOTE]

best quid for quid you will spend on your bike, perfect fueliing, no dangerous lean spots, more power

 

[Engineer]

At least they are buying British

Yeah buts it's just a service industry so doesn't earn the country any net income.

 

[fatbob99]

Hi , I have had 5 bikes done by Geoff , a 2005 R1200 gs ,1200 Multi strada 2010 ,2013 R1200 GS Lc ( two done as had engine replaced ) and a 2015 R1200 Gs .
Also 5 mates have also had bike done from R1's to Aprilla Dorsoduro Triumphs.
All have said the same , its not a tune only a remap to make the bike run as the sales brochures say , I can confirm that every bike I have taken there has run so much better and as it should.
Just waiting to get my 2017 bike done but not run in yet and I'm riding off road now so its tucked up in my garage.
Hope this is a reasonable answer.
Cant comment on the fuel as not bothered to be honest , use it , refill it , happy days

Completely agree with this , I remember disagreeing with this .......Till I took a bike to be done..

 

[Nutty]

Yeah buts it's just a service industry so doesn't earn the country any net income.

He pays tax, doesn't he?

 

[Engineer]

I always held the view that if improvements could be made the manufacturers would have done it but hadn't considered that manufacturers have to comply with lots of rules/regulations so mess up the fuelling at certain RPMs to do so.

Had I not read the many threads on bikes that had been Hilltopped, I wouldn't have taken the time, trouble and expense of riding to Leicestershire but am pleased I did and have done so more than once.

I think the moral of my reply is: Don't mock it till you've tried it.

I'm surprised someone with your computer software/electronic experience/expertise wouldn't appreciate that engine management software being re-written in a way that the engineer/engine designer would have liked to have done it would improve the performance significantly

Every bit of engineering is a compromise, so all you can do is shift that compromise to a different place, what you gain in one place you will lose in another - you might not care about emissions increasing for example but it is an unacceptable change to others.

 

[Nutty]

Completely agree with this , I remember disagreeing with this .......Till I took a bike to be done..

Same here. I used to query how it all works, and didn't quite believe that Geoff could do what he does. Then I just took my bike there, and found out first hand.

 

[Engineer]

He pays tax, doesn't he?

So how is that helping the balance of payments?

 

[stick]

Every bit of engineering is a compromise, so all you can do is shift that compromise to a different place, what you gain in one place you will lose in another - you might not care about emissions increasing for example but it is an unacceptable change to others.

But if the concept is flawed from the off ( due to restrictions ) its got nothing to do with shifting the compromise to a different place at all. Improvements can be still made and balance the problem / get it back to a acceptable datum or where it should have been.
A see saw if balanced ( well set up ie equal equal ) works a treat , now if you have to move the balance point and add things that the original design did not want the idea is balanced but not as it should be .
You are right in a way to say engineering is a compromise but sometimes the shift is for the better and the correct way and any losses are not required.
IMHO

I have seen design engineers with all the qualifications in the world still fuck up as they are a bit blinkered and wont accept a common sense approach. , simple.

 

[backstreet hero]

If just one person stops to think about what they’re spending their cash on, it’s worth it.

The joker at Hilltop has readily admitted that he does nothing to tune the closed loop area (up to 40% throttle and 4,500rpm), so there will be no change at all to anyone’s bike there – where most riding is done.

He’s also stated that he has no access to the Bosch ECU fuel and ignition maps, so he can’t do a custom dyno tune.

A quick search of this forum will show some dyno graphs showing 20 to 25% power increases, which is impossible. And others showing the complete process, including dyno runs, taking barely over half an hour!!! http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showth...Hilltop-and-I-ve-seen-the-promised-land/page2

 

[Engineer]

But if the concept is flawed from the off ( due to restrictions ) its got nothing to do with shifting the compromise to a different place at all. Improvements can be still made and balance the problem / get it back to a acceptable datum or where it should have been.
A see saw if balanced ( well set up ie equal equal ) works a treat , now if you have to move the balance point and add things that the original design did not want the idea is balanced but not as it should be .
You are right in a way to say engineering is a compromise but sometimes the shift is for the better and the correct way and any losses are not required.
IMHO

I have seen design engineers with all the qualifications in the world still fuck up as they are a bit blinkered and wont accept a common sense approach. , simple.

Restrictions are there for a reason (whether you agree with them or not) so they become one of the engineering goals to be met and so form part of the engineering compromises.

 

[stick]

Restrictions are there for a reason (whether you agree with them or not) so they become one of the engineering goals to be met and so form part of the engineering compromises.

That's true , but the answer is that the balance has been redressed with the corrective re map....

 

[Engineer]

That's true , but the answer is that the balance has been redressed with the corrective re map....

OK one of the restrictions upon the designer is to control emissions to with certain limits - after a re-map have the emissions increased? How does one tell without measuring them?

 

[RedRick Esq.]

OK one of the restrictions upon the designer is to control emissions to with certain limits - after a re-map have the emissions increased? How does one tell without measuring them?

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