dave perry
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Up from 92.8 to 96.5 BHP ? now that sounds like a waste of money - my rear wheel figure went from 78.5 to 101 !! Torque upped from 62.8 ft/lb to 76.9 !!
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Delboy777
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Figures that are almost impossible to achieve unless the figures are massaged in some way. You believe what you like quite frankly I don't care if your happy then good luck to ya.
Its not about power, I was looking for smoothness and proper fuelling which was achieved. I notice a difference and that's all that matters, just as it is with all those who have (in my opinion) wasted their hard earned going down the route they have. Each to their own and all that. Opinions are like arseholes..............everyone has one, and is entitled to them.
Delboy777
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Two cylinder set up, each cylinder done separately. Cost £200 plus the cost of the PCV which I bought myself, was £224, so £424 total. More expensive but I have the PCV which I can remove if I want and get most of my money back. Hilltop...........£350 gone for ever.
Delboy777
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Why would that be now ? Ive seen the the graphs of the bikes in question so therefore i think that that would count as "as i find" is it not ?
I'm not sure, from what little I know of it, how a dyno operator "somewhere" can look at somebody else's figures & declare them a "sham". Isn't it all about, as much as possible, the before & after on the same dyno, same day, same operator ? I'd be more interested if "dyno guy" compared any other set up on stoichiometric ratio, & pointed out any difference. After all, the correct AFR is what I think most customers are after. If one dyno shows "90 BHP becoming 100BHP" whilst another shows it as "94BHP becoming 104BHP" that's not really advancing the matter. If however they both show a weak mixture becoming a correct mixture, or not, throughout the rev. range, that's the important bit, IMO.
Delboy777
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The said bikes were run on his dyno, and that's how he knows. The claims about figures were outrageous compared to the figures obtained on his dyno when running the bikes on his one. Further more ive seen the AFR figures and the graphs obtained on his dyno and they were shocking compared to the claims made by the other "tuner".
My point entirely. Different dyno/operator, different day, different weather even - & you know your man is the purveyor of "the truth", how exactly ?
I'm not saying who's right or wrong. I'm saying you haven't proved anything.
Not gone for ever..if your not happy you get your money back
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i had me 13 plate 1200 gs TE remapped at hill top and i was very pleased, better mpg and better performance, i will be booking me 15 plate in this week. money well spent
i had me 13 plate 1200 gs TE remapped at hill top and i was very pleased, better mpg and better performance, i will be booking me 15 plate in this week. money well spent
Delboy777
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Surely your not saying there would be a huge difference in different dynos now are you ? All dynos have to be calibrated from time to time have they not ? Air pressure would affect results but no way would the difference all that much. I trust my guy, he's got nothing to gain by telling porkys now does he ? Or does he ? How in the hell can you add a 25% power increase without major changes to the engine ?If it was that easy and cheap to do surely all the WSBK and BSB teams would be doing it ? Im afraid i don't believe any of the hype surrounding Hilltop and thats my right to do so. So im going to get flack from peeps on here that have spent their hard earned and feel the need to defend their position...............fair enough, its their choice.
Delboy777
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we all know the answer to this thread..someone who has been to hilltop needs to take his bike to a local dynojet center....watch this space
If you read my post earlier you would see that in fact THREE bikes that had been to Hilltop had indeed been to the dynojet centre and the figures obtained were so wildly off kilter as to make them completely unbelievable
Delboy777
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The Tyco Suzuki's where on Geoffs Dyno last year
Exactly what does that prove ?
Hilltop is no sham, I've got the proof 2 of my TC bikes one with a PCV and Dyno time mapped by junc33 and one mapped by Geoff, PCV made slightly more Hp but it had full race Akro and no baffles, and my arse tells me there both in comparison to each other and cannot fault either.
I have both graphs and geoffs looks smoother, but its a tractor engine so its hard to notice the difference when thrashing it.
Mpg ! Does it really care I ride to have fun and not worry about trying to get 99mpg, if mpg floats ya boat I'd suggest you buy a scooter.
I have both graphs and geoffs looks smoother, but its a tractor engine so its hard to notice the difference when thrashing it.
Mpg ! Does it really care I ride to have fun and not worry about trying to get 99mpg, if mpg floats ya boat I'd suggest you buy a scooter.
That OK Delboy, ive had mine Hilltop'd (2015 GS) it must be one hell of a placebo if your right and im not saying your not.. BUT, mine only had 200mls on the speedo so you would expect with an Engine with low miles would be tight and show a low power output and guess what? it showed only 93BHP on the Dyno (full akra exhaust) after Geoff did the 2nd Dyno run it showed 113BHP still a realistic figure as its quoted at 125BHP as standard at the crank, AFR was all over the place, he also said i could have a free run to see if the power increased as the miles went up
Not quite fella, I paid £300 for my 13plate GSA, I think its fair to say depending on deal / Discount it can cost between £260 to £350?. But lets stick with facts, my £300 if you sell your PCV for half what you bought it for you have spent ' gone for ever' £300 same as me?
For that you took your bike to a fella who sprinkled magic dust on your bike revved it tweaked it and gave you some charts!
Funny thats what I did at Hilltop, each to their own. Glad your happy with the results.
I'll stick with Geoff thanks. Nice guy certainly knows his stuff and I'm satisfied with the results.
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Delboy777
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Please yourself i think hes pulling the wool over a lot of blind eyes that only see what they want to see. Your choice.
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