Hilltop Motorcycles fact or fiction

[BlueBird]

Exactly what does that prove ?

a rumour has it that the first wave of 1200wc press bikes went through Hilltop before journos got their arses on them as well.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Well im just back from having my bike set up on a dyno. It took three and a half hours and the the result was brilliant. PCV fitted and mapped...............chalk and cheese. More response from less throttle and much more "tractable". Its early days yet only done 60 miles but the fuel computer is saying MPG up 9.8mpg. I hardly have to twist the throttle, unlike before I had it done. The aim was 13.2 AFR and that was achieved. The bike wasn't too bad on full throttle it was already rich from 80% onwards. But it was as lean as feck everywhere else, with ratios reaching as high as 16.0 not uncommon Power wise only a 4hp increase over standard from 92.85 to 96.57hp and torque from 74.25 to 74.67. So all i know is what the seat of my pants is telling me and the mpg figures are nothing short of incredible. On board computer has never varied very much since the bike was new and was always around 52.4mpg no matter how many times I reset it. Now its at 62.2mpg and my riding style has not changed, only difference being a more responsive throttle that i don't need to twist so far. Now having spoken to the operator im glad I didn't throw my money away on what appears to be a sham ECU setup at Hilltop. I speak as I find and the dyno guy has had three bikes on his dyno after the so called set up there and every one of them had been given wrong figures. And the proof exists on the dyno graphs from those bikes, ive seen them. Now believe me if you like but quite frankly i don't really care whether you do or not, its your money not mine.

Very interesting.....did the dyno guy fit your PC5?

Whereabouts is he?

Ta

 

[Skid06]

Geoff would laugh his bollox off 0.45 torque /3.5 bhp gain for £500 i think you'd get more if you farted in the tank

 

[MattW]

a rumour has it that the first wave of 1200wc press bikes went through Hilltop before journos got their arses on them as well.

Rumour.
Always reliable

 

[Martyn H]

Surely your not saying there would be a huge difference in different dynos now are you ? All dynos have to be calibrated from time to time have they not ? Air pressure would affect results but no way would the difference all that much. I trust my guy, he's got nothing to gain by telling porkys now does he ? Or does he ? How in the hell can you add a 25% power increase without major changes to the engine ?If it was that easy and cheap to do surely all the WSBK and BSB teams would be doing it ? Im afraid i don't believe any of the hype surrounding Hilltop and thats my right to do so. So im going to get flack from peeps on here that have spent their hard earned and feel the need to defend their position...............fair enough, its their choice.

An awful lot of WSB & BSB teams do go to Hilltop; how many go to (unnamed) Dyno guy ? You are entitled to be cynical, & no-one is disputing that. It's your claim to "know the real truth" that many people find unproven.

 

[Martyn H]

a rumour has it that the first wave of 1200wc press bikes went through Hilltop before journos got their arses on them as well.

Funny you should say that. A friend of mine bought an ex-press bike, & went to Hilltop. Geoff ran it up once & said "It's fuelling perfectly" So they had a chat & no money changed hands.

 

[Roymondo]

If you read my post earlier you would see that in fact THREE bikes that had been to Hilltop had indeed been to the dynojet centre and the figures obtained were so wildly off kilter as to make them completely unbelievable

"In fact"? On what grounds is that assertion made? Have you seen these three "factual" bikes? Probably not. Have you seen the dyno charts for them? As the thread title says Fact or Fiction..?

And no - I'm not a customer of Hilltops, satisfied or otherwise.

 

[Motorcycle Michael]

I've already had an R1200R mapped at Hilltop and been very pleased with the results.

In the coming weeks Geoff will be taking a "trade test" as I'm taking my modified K100 to be mapped. It's had lots of engine work done and the fueling is now all over the place. It's on old school Bosch Motronic EFI that he admits he's done a few of way back but this remap won't be plug & play like the newer bikes.

He'll have to work for his money this time.

 

[ossa eck]

The new bikes aint plug and play either.

Ecu is opened for mapping.

 

[ossa eck]

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Well im just back from having my bike set up on a dyno. It took three and a half hours and the the result was brilliant. PCV fitted and mapped...............chalk and cheese. More response from less throttle and much more "tractable". Its early days yet only done 60 miles but the fuel computer is saying MPG up 9.8mpg. I hardly have to twist the throttle, unlike before I had it done. The aim was 13.2 AFR and that was achieved. The bike wasn't too bad on full throttle it was already rich from 80% onwards. But it was as lean as feck everywhere else, with ratios reaching as high as 16.0 not uncommon Power wise only a 4hp increase over standard from 92.85 to 96.57hp and torque from 74.25 to 74.67. So all i know is what the seat of my pants is telling me and the mpg figures are nothing short of incredible. On board computer has never varied very much since the bike was new and was always around 52.4mpg no matter how many times I reset it. Now its at 62.2mpg and my riding style has not changed, only difference being a more responsive throttle that i don't need to twist so far. Now having spoken to the operator im glad I didn't throw my money away on what appears to be a sham ECU setup at Hilltop. I speak as I find and the dyno guy has had three bikes on his dyno after the so called set up there and every one of them had been given wrong figures. And the proof exists on the dyno graphs from those bikes, ive seen them. Now believe me if you like but quite frankly i don't really care whether you do or not, its your money not mine.

Are my eyes deceiving me or is there still a big dip/flatspot at 5 k ?

 

[Motorcycle Michael]

The new bikes aint plug and play either.

Ecu is opened for mapping.

The new bikes have dedicated ports for access to all the bikes control units.
The old bikes aren't like that.

I stood and watched my 1200R get done and Goeff plugged all his toys straight into my bike. At no point did he take the ECU apart.

 

[ossa eck]

The new bikes have dedicated ports for access to all the bikes control units.
The old bikes aren't like that.

Wrong, on the new bikes (lc) you need to open them to connect a boot wire .

Not required on the older gs models.

BTW I map vehicles for my living ,that picture was a job I was doing on a 2013 r1200gs .

 

[Motorcycle Michael]

Wrong, on the new bikes (lc) you need to open them to connect a boot wire .

Not required on the older gs models.

BTW I map vehicles for my living ,that picture was a job I was doing on a 2013 r1200gs .

As the man said wearing the Orthopedic shoes "I stand corrected"

 

[DING-DONG]

Wrong, on the new bikes (lc) you need to open them to connect a boot wire .

Not required on the older gs models.

BTW I map vehicles for my living ,that picture was a job I was doing on a 2013 r1200gs .

How do you NO he is WRONG !

 

[Motorcycle Michael]

How do you NO he is WRONG !

There is always someone on this forum ready to slap you down. I don't mind getting corrected,it's the way it's done.
It's my own fault,I shouldn't have bothered making a contribution. When will I ever learn!!

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Hill top do not open up the ECU ! there is or was a company somewhere that does it by drilling holes in the ecu and bodging some connections but why do that when the ecu and its functions and programability are accessed via a OBD port or whatever its called

 

[Ted]

This thread seems to be following the usual format….
lots of praise then rubbish it.
So thought would jump in and join the mob.
Have a 09 GS that has been to Hilltop and I am happy with the results. As posted it’s generally smoother to ride and most definitely more pull above 5000rev/min. Luckily for me we have two 09 1200GS in the family and can compare the “pull” on rolling runs on a local duel carriage way. Both bikes are near as damit together from 35/40 mph but as the speed and revs gain my bike just starts to pull away and quickly. I need to change gear sooner as the revs build faster as well, absolutely no Idea why but it just dose. My bike is carrying more weight as well and my wife is not one to hang about either.
Have had Dynojet kits and Dyno setups on older carb bikes and very similar feel, nothing sudden or startling but just smoother and less breathless. Yep quite happy with the results and for the price a definite improvement I could feel.

The price seems to be an issue with some people but don’t see lots of threads about spending twice the amount on an Akro poo vak super-duper, lightweight end can the dose absolutely F**k all but make the exhaust slightly louder, by the way I have one on my bike.
No 10 page threads on “I spent £650 on a new end can and just looks pretty but bike still the same, was a waste of money”
If I was one to change bikes often then maybe I could recoup some cost by removing the PCV and selling on. But I don’t and prefer the less chance of an external unit problem solution of a remap.
Another issue seems to be, how to get the extra power with just a remap! Any one got a diesel that’s been “chipped”? Manufacturers do it all the time. Car goes in for service and it has a service update ie reprogram of ecu. I had a 1200GT that was running like a pig, jerky and generally not good to ride. One “service upgrade” later different bike so have no problems with how it is possible.
All in all happy with what I got and how much it cost, still can't believe how much the end can cost though

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

we all know the answer to this thread..someone who has been to hilltop needs to take his bike to a local dynojet center....watch this space

.........and this has been done, as I mentioned in another thread.

It's up in the 'Orange' section. Giles had his 1190 run up on an independent dyno after having a re-map at Hilltop.

The figures were pretty much identical and IIRC the independent dyno guy commented on just how well the mapping had been set up.

Andres

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

a rumour has it that the first wave of 1200wc press bikes went through Hilltop before journos got their arses on them as well.

........best leave that at just a rumour eh

Andres