Interesting that the brakes are worse on the new bike
And yet all the people here that have ridden/ bought the 1250 say that the brakes are better on the 1250
Hmm this can be a dealbreaker for some
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And yet all the people here that have ridden/ bought the 1250 say that the brakes are better on the 1250
When you're back into a corner... double down 
Really happy with my end of the line 1200GSA which I'll get in a few weeks. Was happy enough with my 2017 GSA just wanted something incrementally better with TFT and smoother GSAP.
Really happy with my end of the line 1200GSA which I'll get in a few weeks. Was happy enough with my 2017 GSA just wanted something incrementally better with TFT and smoother GSAP.
Interesting that the brakes are worse on the new bike
Yes, but it's such a small difference --- 3 meters difference in braking from 70mph to 0. Don't think I or anyone else could get within 3 meters on two different runs, on the same bike, with the same tyres, so not sure how scientifically it was done.
The part of the test that I thought would be beneficial in the real world was the roll on test from 60 to 80 . --- 100 ft difference between the 1200 and the 1250 . Like it says that's typical overtaking speed in top gear, again you could change down a gear!. But why have to do that if you can just open the throttle
. "From 60mph to 80mph – probably the most typical overtaking speeds – the new bike beats the old one by almost a second. And if that doesn’t sound much, one second at 80mph is over 100ft."
The part of the test that I thought would be beneficial in the real world was the roll on test from 60 to 80 . --- 100 ft difference between the 1200 and the 1250 . Like it says that's typical overtaking speed in top gear, again you could change down a gear!. But why have to do that if you can just open the throttle
"From 60mph to 80mph – probably the most typical overtaking speeds – the new bike beats the old one by almost a second. And if that doesn’t sound much, one second at 80mph is over 100ft."
Because you don't have to spend £5000 - £10000 on a new bike upgrade to get that benefit, when you could just drop a gear on your old R1200 and get the same result.
Everything else about the bike is the same as the outgoing R1200's
How feckin lazy do you have to be to pay someone £10000 so you don't have to dab your left foot as often
Nice to have a shiny new bike update when the time comes though
Because you don't have to spend £5000 - £10000 on a new bike upgrade to get that benefit, when you could just drop a gear on your old R1200 and get the same result.
Everything else about the bike is the same as the outgoing R1200's
How feckin lazy do you have to be to pay someone £10000 so you don't have to dab your left foot as often
Nice to have a shiny new bike update when the time comes though
Yep , totally agree.
Why change if you've got a 17 plate onwards 1200gs with smooth gearbox etc. You might not have to pay as much as £10000 though.
And thank you. It is nice to have a shiny new bike with smooth gearbox, bit extra power, more torque, TFT and 3 years warranty instead of my old 2015 1200gs with clonky gearbox + GSAP that sort of worked.
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It isn't the type of bike to tempt most, I suspect, purely on the basis of the (mainly academic) incremental performance gain. Some might (and have) argued that in fact you're getting less but paying more for a new whizz-bang shift-cam engine, nice shiny TFT and errrr...a few new colour schemes and gold rims. If you wanted a significant performance hike you'd probably be more in the market for a KTM, Multistrada or BMW's very own S1000XR. TBH, I wouldn't want to lose any more character of the boxer twin so not really sure that I'd want a smoother twin...too much of a good thing can make bikes feel anaemic and dull, a reason why I gave up IL4s a fair few years back in favour of Vee twins, and now a return to boxer twins.
The performance gains over standing 1/4 may look impressive but I'd be willing to bet that given half a dozen runs of each, there may have been a fair few closer margins. The rider, tyres, grip and start reaction can add or lose a good second and make 5mph easy difference to terminal velocity, which I have to say isn't especially impressive in either case, even compared with my 14 year old rsvr.
I think I've just talked myself out of an upgrade
I'm sure it'll be a great bike in real world everyday use. After all, it's an evolution of an already happily evolved and fantastic recipe. I just wouldn't consider it a worthwhile enough upgrade to tempt me off the 1200.
It isn't the type of bike to tempt most, I suspect, purely on the basis of the (mainly academic) incremental performance gain. Some might (and have) argued that in fact you're getting less but paying more for a new whizz-bang shift-cam engine, nice shiny TFT and errrr...a few new colour schemes and gold rims. If you wanted a significant performance hike you'd probably be more in the market for a KTM, Multistrada or BMW's very own S1000XR. TBH, I wouldn't want to lose any more character of the boxer twin so not really sure that I'd want a smoother twin...too much of a good thing can make bikes feel anaemic and dull, a reason why I gave up IL4s a fair few years back in favour of Vee twins, and now a return to boxer twins.
The performance gains over standing 1/4 may look impressive but I'd be willing to bet that given half a dozen runs of each, there may have been a fair few closer margins. The rider, tyres, grip and start reaction can add or lose a good second and make 5mph easy difference to terminal velocity, which I have to say isn't especially impressive in either case, even compared with my 14 year old rsvr.
I think I've just talked myself out of an upgrade
I'm sure it'll be a great bike in real world everyday use. After all, it's an evolution of an already happily evolved and fantastic recipe. I just wouldn't consider it a worthwhile enough upgrade to tempt me off the 1200.
Weird Bob
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I rode one the other day and they do have a stronger initial bite. Comparing to my 2018 you get more braking for less effort at the lever. You don’t stop any quicker.
After a few minutes I had adjusted to the newer brakes and wasn’t even thinking about them anymore.
So the Brembos are initially a little soft (I don’t mind it) from the few online tests it looks like the spongy old Brembos stop a smudge faster than the new sharper ones.
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