Hourly Rates & Robeekay67????

And whether an engine dates back to 1910 or 2003, it has no bearing on what a dealer charges for labour whatsoever.
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you're missing the point. you're paying 2003 prices for machinery not exactly in the same year.......of course there is a lot to be said for 'if it aint broke why fix it' but, im still struggling to have anyone explain to me why bmw cost 2x the price per hour to service when compared to other bikes.
 
What point is that?? That an engine that has the same cylinder layout as one made in 1923 should be cheaper to service than a so called modern inline 4 that was first released in 1998??? Like the inline 4 was a new concept then??? Not heard of the CB750 Honda I guess? Or the fact that the car industry was making inline 4 cylinder engines for donkeys years before motorcycle manufacturers started making them?

And where in the London area can you find a Japanese franchised main dealer that will service a bike for £30 an hour including VAT??? I know for a fact that Rex Judd (Yamaha dealer) charge £47. The Triumph dealer close to where I work charges £52 an hour (both figures include VAT). Not exactly half the cost charged by some BMW dealers is it.

According to Cannons website, it will cost you £350 to have an 1150GS serviced over 12 months (2 services). It will be interesting to see the servicing costs on a Fazer thou over the same period. Not to mention the tyre,chain and brake pad costs. Hopefully you'll still be around to enlighten us on these costs.

Bob
 
blimey bob calm down....u must be on bmw uk payroll, i can feel your blood pressure from here haha
 
and if you like paying away your 50 quid an hour then away you go; im happy that you're well off enough.
 
Perhaps it reflects the computers we have to invest in in order to service BMW's

Perhaps it reflects the level of investment in special tools we make

Perhaps it reflects the standard of technicians & the monies we have to pay in order to secure their services

Perhaps it reflects the fact that we offer free modern loan bikes

Perhaps it reflects the investment in premises

Perhaps it reflects the level of computerisation found in each & every dealer.

Perhaps it reflects the fully demonstartion fleet each & every dealer runs.

Perhaps it reflect the level of training each & every member of the dealership has to attend

I don't know perhaps it just reflects the fact that most BMw dealers work to an old fashioned principle

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we try to make a profit & stay around long enough to build relationships with our customers!!!]


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sorry, my personal 3 years of bmw dealership experiences (5 different outfits in east anglia and london) draw me to a conclusion you're no better or worse than a guy who makes a living flogging jap bikes; just a whole lot more expensive!
 
This months bike magazine has published its long term fleets running cost over 1 years ownership; Lowest first:

BMW K1200GT - 26p
Yam YZF-R6 - 27p
BMW Rockster - 28p
Honda CBR600 - 32p
Harley V Rod - 39p
Kwack ZX6 - 42p
Triumph Daytona 600 - 42p
Yam XJR - 46p
Suzuki SV1000S - 49p
Ducati 999 - 61p

Blows a hole in the argument that BMWs are expensive to run? Though the K1200 did get a slating for reliability and handling.
 
Blows a hole in the argument that BMWs are expensive to run
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yeah you're right...54% depreciation in one year..just as well simon weir racked up the mileage he did to make it worthwhile..........
 
I haven't seen the article in bike, but given that a K1200GT costs about £11000, are you saying that it is now only worth £5060?
I've just looked on MCN's website and found 2 1997 K1200RS's going for £4800, a 2002 K1200RS going for £7500.

Seems to be a bit of an anomaly there.

Bob
 
30k in one year is going to blow any bikes value to pieces. Though i'd quite happily pay 50p a mile to ride anything other than a GT.

I'd never trust my bike to a dealer. Pidcocks took the piss when I got a K from them, over a few warranty items, and Balderstones lied to me when I took my GS back with leaking head gaskets. Not what you would expect from 'premier' dealerships. If you work on them yourself the GS is a really simple and easy bike to work on and the service items are cheap. A service kit from Motorworks is £18 + Vat and oil is around £16, so why the hell are services £200+? If I was stuck with using dealers I'd be riding something else.

How much will the Fazer cost for servicing? surely it's going to be the same sort of rate as the BMW and then some for the extra tyre wear and chains etc?
 
robeekay67....I'd have to differ from you on that....

Before I did my DA course and test a few years ago, I went round many dealers to see what I fancied and pick up some hints... only one of them didnt stop paying any interest to my dumb newbie questions as soon as they found I hadnt ridden a bike since i was 16.....all but one basically said 'come back when you're a serious customer' or 'come back when we can make some quick money from you'....

The exceptions were Prestige in Bexleyheath.......Stuart spent half an hour chatting away, asking about what i thought i might be wanting to do on a bike, getting me sat on some nice shiny kit and generally showing what felt like a genuine interest.

I went back a couple of times after.....he remembered my name and I was always greeted with a handshake and an offer of a cuppa....then when i was doing my CBT and wanted a decent jacket and while i was in various dealers again, they seemed interested and offered good advice, whearas Garrozzo's, Lagunas, Aye Gees and that grotty place in Welling still weren't interested beyond seling me the jacket and shooing me out of the door.

From all of that, I started paying more and more attention to the F650 Funduro, and they were my first stop to buy one as soon as i passed my full test......I did get my next bike from Aye Gees but only because i was buying down to a price for that one, but the brand loyalty was already there and not just because of the bikes.....

For me, it's not just the bikes....I like the fact that every BWM dealership i've been into have seemed more friendly than the others.....i feel more confident with them, and, *shit i'm welling up now :D * there is a feeling of belonging more than with other brands......

A cynic (and i do count myself as one) would say that they're just taking the long term view, but for me at least it's worked....I probably won't get my servicing done inside the BWM network after my warrenty runs out, but because of the way i've been treated and their attitude, as well as the fact that the GS is a fantastic bike that does everything that i've found i wanted it to do (and allows a fat tall bastard to do without any compromises or discomfort), I'm a BWM fan now.

I havent got as much biking experience as many here, but at the end of the day, if i get treated well and made to feel comfortable and confident in what they're doing for me, they have a person who will accept a slightly higher (debateable from what's been posted but even so..) rate for the service i have recieved over the years.

Just think...if they hadnt have been nice to me I'd never have met Uncle Albert :D
 
Hourly rate ? no job price

Over the years before I felt confident enough to do all my servicing, cars and bikes, I used to aske for a job price, paid as I left the vehicle, and made it clear that it was a first and final paiment for work requested, I always ended with a good quote and no hidden extras.
Solution : a haynes or clymer manual + a set of overall and a tin of quality soap for birthdays
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bmw..i got the wrong year...

bmw engine roots go back to 1911 when gustav otto, son of nik otto who invented the otto 4 cycle four stroke engine opened an engine/ aircraft factory in munich

so bob, you're right, i was wrong!

also why are you lot so bent out of shape and can't believe that other makes of bike are cheaper to maintain?????? it can and does happen as ive found out!!
 
You haven't provided any proof of your claims yet. And if you are going to compare the costs of a authorised BMW dealer with an independent, then you are not making a fair comparison. Come back to us with the costs through a franchised Yamaha dealer rather than through your man who can't work on a simple engine dating back to 1910, then we can make a fair and meaningful comparison.

Bob

PS I don't pay out any labour charges at all as I service my own GS, a task which is very straighforward indeed. And that's with no formal training in working on bikes at all.
 
bob. naff off. you're a boring git.

u just simply cannot understand how other bikes are cheaper. tell me , why would i lie? what is there to gain?

PS I don't pay out any labour charges at all as I service my own GS, a task which is very straighforward indeed. And that's with no formal training in working on bikes at all.....oh ok......there was you harping on at the manufacturer warranty etcetcetc

actually, please dont respond, you're a very boring man!

(also pls leave the mechanic out of any inevitable future posts. he works hard for a living and has massive respect in many places.....unlike you or me for sure. theres a good boy)
 
And you seem incapable of understanding that to compare service costs of a BMW serviced in a BMW dealer with the costs of servicing a Yamaha by a independent mechanic is meaningless. But if that's the only way you can justify your claims and argument, you carry on old chap. Meanwhile, I'll carry on in the real world and next time I look at a change of bike, I'll compare servicing costs fairly and properly and base my decisions on that.

Bob
 
Robeekay67!?........move this onto the "Forum Rant" cos you really are boring the GS pants off me.

No...I'm not a dealer, friend/relative of dealer, former dealer, wannabee dealer etc etc.......I own 4 bikes, 2 honda, 2 bmw (No!...i'm not lucky to own them....I've worked my @rse off to pay for them!).....so I'm well aware what it costs to service Japanese and German bikes!

Quantify what it costs for a dealer's premises/location/rates/staff costs/overheads/loan bikes/quality of service/being open "out of season"? etc etc etc............ or give us all a rest........buy a GS service manual and service your own bike!!.....think of the time you'll save......and you'll save us all time reading your droning..............on and on and on and on!!................god only knows what job you do but I do pity your colleagues with your sh@t boring attitude!!

Do us a favour Robeekay67.........take your GS and ride off far far away....................

..........and NO...........I won't be engaging in a mindless debate with you......I've wasted enough off my valuable time typing this note just for you!!
 
great to be popular ......glad you worked yer ass off for yer bikes....if you dont like whats been posted, dont read it !
 
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