Huggers

[The Machine Cat]

Terry, I do not understand something...
What they are offering is not a "rip off", it is just outragiously expensive. No one is forcing anyone to purchase anything, and the goods pricing is not hidden in any way.
It is easy to vote with our feet and not purchase anything from these guys if we don't feel like it.
What's the big deal ? Of course the "not for profit" story is pretty much clumsy but at the same time I have seen more moronic sales pitch in my marketing career

I will wait to see their full package on my friend's bike and see what I will do. If it is outragiously usefull and good looking, I may forget about the price but it will have to be extra cool or my "not for anything stupid" money will stay in my purse

 

[nadeem]

I think TerryM is more implying that the prices of the goods on offer are higher than they should be. For a product to be a 'rip off' does not necessitate buying it...if I saw a Lada for sale at 50k - I would consider it a rip off and not buying it wouldn't alter that fact, even with a money back offer.

The simple equation is that as long as the market will bear the prices being charged; suppliers will continue to charge them. Whether they are fair or not does not enter the equation. Whilst no one is (I hope) suggesting the huggers, etc are inferior, they do seem overpriced.

 

[Desert Biker]

......maybe being a Forum Sponsor would give you a bit more clout and put you in a better position to question their motives or actions!


Nice one CoolCarbon....!!!!

Interesting conspiracy theory though!!!

Keep it going TerryM mate!!!! You will succeed in bringing the price down with your product awareness raising campain!!!

Lets all hope the the enterprise our fellow GS'ers have started makes it through the transitional non-profit phase!!!!

We are not here for a long time, We are here for a good time!!!!!

 

[david thorpe]

God knows what I started with the original enquiry, isn't it now time to drop it and chill out?

David

 

[Russ]

£200 for a rear hugger?

What advantages do i get over a 50 odd quid hugger?

 

[Clive]

£200 for a rear hugger?

What advantages do i get over a 50 odd quid hugger?

Where have you seen a hugger for £50 ?

 

[Wraithwrider]

I must admit to wincing at the £195.95 price for the 12 Hugger but I definately want a hugger for my bike. Now huggers generally are about 145 to 180 quid. If the 'CoolCarbon' one is as good as the boys say and they give 10% discount to sponsors then I think all the bloody moan, moan bloody moan is a little over the top! So there!!



I'd still like to hear an honest appraisal of the goods though.

 

[sandbar]

I have watched this thread with increasing concern.

There are a lot of opinions being expressed which are quite obviously based on incorrect information and false assumptions.

Just in case I am accused of using an alias e-mail address etc, let me make my situation clear so that it is obvious what my position is. I import a well-known make of carbon fibre products from Germany. I am the UK agent and distributor for these products which include rear huggers for most of the BMW range. These products are not only available under the Ilmberger name, but are also available from other sources.

I do not agree, as a generalisation, that list prices are any different from country to country within Europe. I do not agree, as a generalisation, that list prices are greatly different from Europe to America. I have done the research - I bet you have not!!

I do not have personal experience with coolcarbon's products, but I do know the company that manufactures for him, and let me tell you that I am amazed that his replies have been so calm and peaceful. It must be all that Scottish air!!

For the record when our R1200GS hugger becomes available in the UK - hopefully soon, the basic price (£132.75)will be as near as possible to the basic price in Germany. If you have an issue with the application or level of VAT, then take that up with the government and do not try and blame suppliers.

By the way, we have not yet found a cost free way of transporting any products from one place to another, but if we do then you can be assured that the saving will be passed on to you.

The original assumptions that seemed to have been used to start this particular discussion are of course deeply flawed. Any attempt to compare costs with weight alone seem to me to be extremely simplistic and juvenile.

I notice comments about manufacturers prices against retail prices. If there was that much profit available, why was it "when I used to..........." Why are you not doing it now? It is because the profits that are being talked about are simply not there, and the reality is completely different. Why let the facts get in the way of a good story

And the final thing that really made me throw my teddy out of the pram is the suggestion that this (or any other forum) should be used for any ill-informed rant to make unsubstantiated allegations against people, organisations or companies who would then be prevented from replying. That is, of course, offensive. I was going to use the word unfair, but that would have been impolite!

To coin a phrase " You sir - are a bounder!"

Sandbar

 

[david thorpe]

Bloody hell it gets worse, why all the fuss? Surely you make a choice and pays your money. Never mind the quality feel the width and all that.

David

 

[Deleted account W]

Hi
Does a rear hugger significantly reduce the shite sprayed from wet roads onto my pristine 1200? Views please.
Are there disadvantages? Is fitting one a problem? Any maker recommendations and finally cost?

Many thanks (Ihope!)
David

I think you have a bit of a cheek posting a question like this, are you just looking for trouble.

 

[TST]

Ilmberger already have their hugger for sale. But the price isn't listed on their site.
www.ilmberger-carbon.de/

www.ilmberger-carbon.de/

 

[Wraithwrider]

 

[Big Lee]

Dare I ask how much? or will I be ?

 

[JayGee]

Dare I ask how much? or will I be ?

go on, tell us HOW MUCH
we might as well have some useful info as thuis thread juast won't go away.

 

[JayGee]

Ilmberger already have their hugger for sale:

Hells teeth, that tyre shows signs of a severe lack of lean, you paid for all the tread- don't waste it!

 

[sandbar]

Thank you TST!

See my post about two or three back. As I said - not available yet, but when it is, it should be £132.75 + VAT.

Hopefully soon.

Sandbar

PS:
TerryM - you know who I am - no secrets - no hiding - all in the open

 

[JayGee]

$249.00 in the US. Here.

Still bloody expensive when a typical jap bike one costs £60. Maybe TryyM hqas a point!

 

[sandbar]

Actually Jaygee - there has been a severe lack of lean on that bike because there has been a severe lack of mileage. That was the show bike at INTERMOT and those photos were taken 20 miles from the show site.

What you did not notice in that photo (very difficult to see in that picture) are the SICOM silicon- composite brakes and HPE exhausts.

Now that little lot should get some comments!!

Sandbar

 

[sandbar]

Sorry - missed the post by Whatton

That is a different product. That is for the K1200RS/GT, and at $249 is approximately 20-25% higher than our list price.

That illustrates my point exactly

Sandbar

 

[JayGee]

Actually Jaygee - there has been a severe lack of lean on that bike because there has been a severe lack of mileage. That was the show bike at INTERMOT and those photos were taken 20 miles from the show site.

What you did not notice in that photo (very difficult to see in that picture) are the SICOM silicon- composite brakes and HPE exhausts.

Now that little lot should get some comments!!

Sandbar

Fair cop sandbar, just as long as there's no rubber wasted I'm only thinking of the environment :monkyswin