I read a few tests last night and Kevin Ash said it was 35 to 50/55, depending if it was ridden hard
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I read a few tests last night and Kevin Ash said it was 35 to 50/55, depending if it was ridden hard
Davy F
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I got rid of my 12GS after 2 1/2 years as it was a bike of conflict. Up to that point, it was the best bike I'd ever owned as far as the riding experiance, but the feeling of dread/doom/insecurity/impending explosion took the pleasure away from me and it's the only bike I owned that I really didn't trust.I've owned 8 Yamahas over the years, including the original Super Ten 750 and the only one that let me down was my TDM850 (rect/reg failure). Not a bad record and I'd have no doubt that the ST10 would be uber reliable. Heck, I can only hope my KTM will prove as reliable !!
Still have my trusty 1150 so I've not totally left the BM fold.
Why did I sell the 1200 and get a Triumph? Fancied a change and at the end of the day the 1200 was still very similar to the 1150 and like you I prefer the older bike.
Mike
It would appear so
I thinks it's the same across a lot of things now.
I've seen plenty of astonished faces at my mates place when cooking WC 911 engines have failed with low ish miles on.
I've got one of the early ones (jan 2011) and done only 7000 miles but had no issues at all . I've ridden all year round though .Good solid bike which is good fun go ride .
The trip computer on mine is showing 49.6mpg. It hasn't been reset and the bike has only done about 1200 miles so half of the miles were running in at a max around 4,000RPM. Also a lot of the use has been commuting, 7½ miles each way which doesn't help economy particularly with the bike being pretty heavy at 260Kgs. On a steady run on the flat the instantaneous figure is in the high 60's at 60-70 mph so potential long distance cruising economy looks promising. I'm easily getting 200 miles per tank.
As standard I find the screen excellent, far better than the 1150 even with Tobinators. (I also have the winglets fitted as many people have said how good they are, I concur, much better than the demo bike that didn't have them), the seat is comfortable with loads of space to move around, the suspension whilst not as plush as a Wilbered 1150 is pretty good. There are two headlights, both are dip and head, switched by a solenoid controlled shutter. The lights are far better than the standard single lamp dip of the 1150 although the lens and reflector quality doesn't match the BM for distribution, definition and cut-off. Having said that I don't think that the 12's matched the quality of the 11½'s in that respect having lost the projector dip beam. I've fitted a pair of 35w HID's which make the lights excellent even on unlit roads on dark wet nights. The shutter controlled dip means that the head beam is instant, no delay for the high beam burner to ignite which is good. I'm waiting for the wiring part which is the subject of a recall to come into stock but as I've cut the power consumption from 2 x 55 watts to 2 x 35 watts it's unlikely to be an issue on my machine in any case.
The finish on fasteners etc. isn't great so, like the 1150, many of them will be replaced with stainless or anodised items. Meanwhile they are all coated with ACF 50. There are areas where I feel that the build quality doesn't match the 1150, others will have to compare it with the 1200's I don't have the long term experience with them to know. I'm talking paint quality, stand pivots and things like that. I think that the factory measures the grease by the milligram as the stands are a bit squeaky already although it has been used in all weathers through the winter.
The power is great, smooth and torquey from 2,000 revs. Bimble at 30 in 4th gear and just roll on to go faster. It doesn't have that kick in the seat feeling, it just picks up speed in a discrete and linear way and I've found myself going far quicker than I realised on several occasions, just acclimatising. If you want fireworks performance getting the electronic restriction in the first three gears removed by someone like Hilltop should do the trick and as the transmission is also used on the big FJR it should handle the torque without an issue. Talking of torque it doesn't have a torque curve per se, just a high smooth plateau of goodness. As it should be for this type of bike. The fact that there is no gear indicator isn't much of an issue as it's Martini power, any speed, any gear. any where. Below 2,000 rev's, power feeling lumpy change down, simple.
As previously posted I hit a small deer some weeks ago whilst travelling at over 70mph. It went head first into the side of the front wheel, shattered three of the four front mudguard mounts, dented the right exhaust pipe and smashed the inner and outer plastic panels on the right of the bike which house the tool kit and all the electrical relays, fuses and battery. It also twisted the forks in the yolks. It then was spun around and slammed into the side of the swing arm which made the bike start to shimmy. I kept the power on and it settled down still shiny side up. The bike is stable! Repair costs, parts only as I fitted them myself, were £385. That didn't include the exhaust pipe as the dent isn't big enough to be an issue. The outer plastic panel alone was an outrageous £250 ish and it isn't even painted, just self coloured plastic. Yamaha? BMW? Probably all the same in this respect, milking it on parts prices.
To summarise? I like it, it's good. If all goes to plan this will be the bike I take to south America on Sgt Bilco's trip in 2016.
As standard I find the screen excellent, far better than the 1150 even with Tobinators. (I also have the winglets fitted as many people have said how good they are, I concur, much better than the demo bike that didn't have them), the seat is comfortable with loads of space to move around, the suspension whilst not as plush as a Wilbered 1150 is pretty good. There are two headlights, both are dip and head, switched by a solenoid controlled shutter. The lights are far better than the standard single lamp dip of the 1150 although the lens and reflector quality doesn't match the BM for distribution, definition and cut-off. Having said that I don't think that the 12's matched the quality of the 11½'s in that respect having lost the projector dip beam. I've fitted a pair of 35w HID's which make the lights excellent even on unlit roads on dark wet nights. The shutter controlled dip means that the head beam is instant, no delay for the high beam burner to ignite which is good. I'm waiting for the wiring part which is the subject of a recall to come into stock but as I've cut the power consumption from 2 x 55 watts to 2 x 35 watts it's unlikely to be an issue on my machine in any case.
The finish on fasteners etc. isn't great so, like the 1150, many of them will be replaced with stainless or anodised items. Meanwhile they are all coated with ACF 50. There are areas where I feel that the build quality doesn't match the 1150, others will have to compare it with the 1200's I don't have the long term experience with them to know. I'm talking paint quality, stand pivots and things like that. I think that the factory measures the grease by the milligram as the stands are a bit squeaky already although it has been used in all weathers through the winter.
The power is great, smooth and torquey from 2,000 revs. Bimble at 30 in 4th gear and just roll on to go faster. It doesn't have that kick in the seat feeling, it just picks up speed in a discrete and linear way and I've found myself going far quicker than I realised on several occasions, just acclimatising
. If you want fireworks performance getting the electronic restriction in the first three gears removed by someone like Hilltop should do the trick and as the transmission is also used on the big FJR it should handle the torque without an issue. Talking of torque it doesn't have a torque curve per se, just a high smooth plateau of goodness. As it should be for this type of bike. The fact that there is no gear indicator isn't much of an issue as it's Martini power, any speed, any gear. any where. Below 2,000 rev's, power feeling lumpy change down, simple.As previously posted I hit a small deer some weeks ago whilst travelling at over 70mph. It went head first into the side of the front wheel, shattered three of the four front mudguard mounts, dented the right exhaust pipe and smashed the inner and outer plastic panels on the right of the bike which house the tool kit and all the electrical relays, fuses and battery. It also twisted the forks in the yolks. It then was spun around and slammed into the side of the swing arm which made the bike start to shimmy. I kept the power on and it settled down still shiny side up. The bike is stable! Repair costs, parts only as I fitted them myself, were £385. That didn't include the exhaust pipe as the dent isn't big enough to be an issue. The outer plastic panel alone was an outrageous £250 ish and it isn't even painted, just self coloured plastic. Yamaha? BMW? Probably all the same in this respect, milking it on parts prices.
To summarise? I like it, it's good. If all goes to plan this will be the bike I take to south America on Sgt Bilco's trip in 2016.
Mine is almost exactly as my 2008GS was, if riding on back lanes /mountain passes it will easily top 50mpg, chasing sportsbikes along A-Roads will see it in the low 40's, speed is the killer sue to the brick shape 70mph on the motorway will give 50mpg, a ton will see it down nearer 40. Riding at "IAM Test" pace will also see it into the low 50's, the ECU Flash on mine seemed to give an extra 3-4mpg in all conditions.
Following the Mrs on her first few rides after passing her test (i.e. within the legal limits) saw me top 60mpg a couple of times, she must be getting faster as I only get about 55mpg when following her now.
I found the S10 felt more plush than the Wilburs on my GS - but I now have a Wilburs shock fitted and the forks re-worked with linear springs which improves the comfort and feel noticeably.
Don't they all these days, I will take out swingarm next winter and probably grease up the head bearings at the same time, I have already greased up suspension linkages as they are most exposed (and easiest to reach)
The ECU Unleashed Flash really sorts this out, just mega stomp on a whiff of throttle (they leave the T mode with the softer throttle map, but I only ever use this when going real slow, in all other conditions the improved S mode is brilliant)
I fitted crash bars just to protect the cosmetics, don't really plan off-roading as such, but with the price of plastics I see @ £150 for some bars as another form of insurance. I also stuck on the sump guard just to prevent crap chipping the paint on the front of the engine / crud sticking to bottom of the motor.
Is there a good S10 forum, preferably a UK based one?
streaky
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Mine just turned 2 years old ,jan 2012 model,It has the ecu flashed ,full system ,pc5 ,kn filter, Toured europe last year 3000, miles in all, Never missed, Didnt need to carry spares like i done with bm, , It has 12000 miles on it now,finish is good apart from spokes, Goes very well and gets better with miles ,Would i recomend one , YES !! , The other is you dont come out in the morning checking for oil leaks from gearbox and fd !!
Biggest here:
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/
Quite an international flavour, more 'Mericans than anything else, but a few brits and folk from other parts of Europe, Australia, S. Africa, Japan etc. Excellent for technical info etc.
As mentioned in another topic many UK S10 owners pop up here:
http://www.adventurebikers.net/
I mainly drop in here for Travel stuff these days
GS Bloke
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Re MPG, I avg 52.5 on my daily commute, I slipped streamed a coach down the M1 the other day (65mph) and got 72mpg, although I won't be doing that on a regular basis.
I use 97/98 Unleaded which makes a huge difference to power and economy, especially Shell's 98.
Before the S10 I had a 1200 GSA, great bike when it wasn't breaking down, now had the S10 for 2 years and done 23k without a single problem
I have fitted a taller screen, winglets, sat nav mount, TT seat, arrow TP, and just about to retire the std panniers for some Zega Pros which arrived yesterday
Like others have said, the spokes are a bit shabby and when I can be arsed, and money allows, I'll get em relaced with stainless, a few companies sell the sets.
It is a great bike and the 2014 model looks even better, get yerself a test ride.
I use 97/98 Unleaded which makes a huge difference to power and economy, especially Shell's 98.
Before the S10 I had a 1200 GSA, great bike when it wasn't breaking down, now had the S10 for 2 years and done 23k without a single problem
I have fitted a taller screen, winglets, sat nav mount, TT seat, arrow TP, and just about to retire the std panniers for some Zega Pros which arrived yesterday
Like others have said, the spokes are a bit shabby and when I can be arsed, and money allows, I'll get em relaced with stainless, a few companies sell the sets.
It is a great bike and the 2014 model looks even better, get yerself a test ride.
My S0 is now 3 years old. I bought it at a year old with 900 miles on it. It was registered as a demo bike at the now bankrupt Brands Hatch Yamaha and then repossessed by the finance company and returned to Yamaha as it was never paid for.
In the 2 years since I have put on another 13,000 miles. 2 problems: first one was a commonly reported one which was cured by cleaning & relubing the gear lever pivot. 2nd one was a mysterious appearance of some oil around a blanking plate for an alternative location for the oil filter. I cleaned off the oil and it has not returned. One explanation could be a bit of expansion/thinning of oil on a trip to the Dolomites.
So, nothing of any seriousness to report as far as reliability is concerned. I find the bike comfier than my R1150GS and the screen is much, much better. It goes well and can be ridden quickly as those on the trip to Annecy last year will attest. OE luggage is okay once you get used to the locks. I miss the leg warmers (boxer cylinders) in winter but I'm glad they aren't there in the summer. Oil consumption seems to be nil.
In the 2 years since I have put on another 13,000 miles. 2 problems: first one was a commonly reported one which was cured by cleaning & relubing the gear lever pivot. 2nd one was a mysterious appearance of some oil around a blanking plate for an alternative location for the oil filter. I cleaned off the oil and it has not returned. One explanation could be a bit of expansion/thinning of oil on a trip to the Dolomites.
So, nothing of any seriousness to report as far as reliability is concerned. I find the bike comfier than my R1150GS and the screen is much, much better. It goes well and can be ridden quickly as those on the trip to Annecy last year will attest. OE luggage is okay once you get used to the locks. I miss the leg warmers (boxer cylinders) in winter but I'm glad they aren't there in the summer. Oil consumption seems to be nil.
Mine's blown the left fork seal, oil everywhere and one well lubricated disk.
That's because you sold the 1150GS last week
That's because you sold the 1150GS last week
I know, and the guy that bought it pinged me a message to say how great it is, that it goes really well and was faultless on the ride home
Reverse Karma, for letting the old faithful girl go.....................she had a word with her shiny new stablemate to kibosh you
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Toubab
I agree with you
blast) ...that is indeed very smart Is that as they come or has it been farkled up?
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I don't know, I'm guessing with extras. I was just looking at what was around at the moment and what my money would be spent on if I was in the market for a 'new' bike.
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