And it is strong...... Is the XT1200 as well built as it seems ?
And what should i be looking for on an older high(ish) mileage model.
And what should i be looking for on an older high(ish) mileage model.
I can feel the force....
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You surprise me.................I thought a 1200GS(A) would be your bike of choice
You surprise me.................I thought a 1200GS(A) would be your bike of choice
If they were any good my work would be halved..... I just like riding, not having to do in my spare time what i do all week and work on 1200 models.
Good point, well made (unlike the bike)
If I were to move away from the GS..................a S10 would be my choice, they seem solid and well made
Packer will give you a good account and so will Mike R (he's on his second) and has still got a 1150GS and has had, but sold 1200GS's in favour of S10's
Davy F
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If they were any good my work would be halved.....
A damning statement if ever there was one, but a lucrative one none the less.
I haven't heard anything but praise from ST owners nor any real issues either. I think you can buy with confidence.
Will sir, require a Crud Catcher and a Mudsling?
just buy one...
You know my history better than me!
1150gs is still with me after 12 years, the S10 is sat in the garage on a Sorn politely waiting for 1 April, and the latest 1200 I had has gone to fund an Explorer!!!!!
Can't evaluate the Explorer as yet as has only covered 400m, but the S10 is built like a tank. Totally reliable although a nail in the back tyre caused a slight problem in Dijon last summer.
The quality of the S10 is slowly being recognised. Anyone seen May's edition of Ride magazine!!!!
Mike
If they were any good my work would be halved..... I just like riding, not having to do in my spare time what i do all week and work on 1200 models.
My friend runs his own indie Porsche workshop. He cut his teeth on the aircooled stuff as a young spanner man, but says without the porsche boxster /996/7 series his work would also be halved.
He had an 04 996 4S with 34k miles in Monday with terminal intermediate shaft failure. That's the 6th this year and were still in March..
What's my point ? Feck knows ....
Oh yeah that was it......
Your 1200/Soon to be WC is his Boxster/996/7 soon to be 991 series of Porsche.
Pretty bulletproof so far, have a look here:
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=9568.0
Some very isolated incidents of loose spokes (mainly from people who ride flat out over boulders) a few failed headlight harnesses (Yamaha have done a recall, but if you buy one check it has been sorted) and an occasional seal here and there - fork / FD (No not a BMW style melt-down, just a slight misting around the FD quickly and cheaply fixed)
I would say build quality is pretty good with the exception of the spokes which tarnish even if looked after fairly well, I expect you would need to clean them after every wet ride and wipe them over with ACF or similar if you wanted to keep them tip-top, I can't be arsed with all that and will just get the wheels re-laced if they start to look too awful.
ECU Flash turns a good engine into an awesome one, still down on top end compared to most of the latest bikes (LC GS / Triumph Explorer), but puts top end power / speed in line with the last of the aircooled GS's and the low-mid range way above them, even stock the engine is stronger in the low-middle, but post flash is just arm wrenching from tickover
There is also the odd report of the trip reset button failing so check this before buying as the fix is a clockset
(or to never reset the trip)
Quite a few past 50k on forums and one fella knocked up 100k in two years with no major problems and not a single breakdown.
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=9568.0
Some very isolated incidents of loose spokes (mainly from people who ride flat out over boulders) a few failed headlight harnesses (Yamaha have done a recall, but if you buy one check it has been sorted) and an occasional seal here and there - fork / FD (No not a BMW style melt-down, just a slight misting around the FD quickly and cheaply fixed)
I would say build quality is pretty good with the exception of the spokes which tarnish even if looked after fairly well, I expect you would need to clean them after every wet ride and wipe them over with ACF or similar if you wanted to keep them tip-top, I can't be arsed with all that and will just get the wheels re-laced if they start to look too awful.
ECU Flash turns a good engine into an awesome one, still down on top end compared to most of the latest bikes (LC GS / Triumph Explorer), but puts top end power / speed in line with the last of the aircooled GS's and the low-mid range way above them, even stock the engine is stronger in the low-middle, but post flash is just arm wrenching from tickover
There is also the odd report of the trip reset button failing so check this before buying as the fix is a clockset
(or to never reset the trip)Quite a few past 50k on forums and one fella knocked up 100k in two years with no major problems and not a single breakdown.
What's an S10?
Good one Mike
I guessed you'd got an Explorer after your recent ad, we'll have to meet up @ Hawes
Be interested in what you think of it
Also why you have moved away from Bm's after so many years, the latest ones leave me cold
My friend runs his own indie Porsche workshop. He cut his teeth on the aircooled stuff as a young spanner man, but says without the porsche boxster /996/7 series his work would also be halved.
He had an 04 996 4S with 34k miles in Monday with terminal intermediate shaft failure. That's the 6th this year and were still in March..
What's my point ? Feck knows ....
Oh yeah that was it......
Your 1200/Soon to be WC is his Boxster/996/7 soon to be 991 series of Porsche.
It would appear so
What's an S10?
Super tenere...
Our Melch is leaning this way...
I am indeed. They seem to be the bike that the GS should be (or used to be). After my trip in May I am planning on getting one. Not the quickest or the best handling. But I don't need the quickest or the best handling. What I do want (rightly or wrongly) is the feeling that I am going to get to where I am going and a trip/holiday is not going to be ruined through unreliability. I don't want to feel like my wallet is in the hands of the 'BMW Corporate Machine'. The S10 from what I am reading seems to be very reliable, decent build quality, plenty quick enough and comparatively cheap to buy.
Ticks enough boxes for me (oh and every numpty on the planet doesn't own one
).There don't seem to be many private sales around though. They are all in the dealers it would seem (maybe I am looking in the wrong place.)
Melch - which GS have got?
(apart from the PD)
(apart from the PD)
I only have the Airhead Johnny. (Which is soon to depart Chez Melch). I had a 1200GS in 2005 (my one and only new bike). I got rid of it after a year because I did not like the feeling of possible impending doom. Maybe that is irrational but that is the way I felt. My money is hard earned and I can't and don't want to be throwing money at dealers for what I consider inexcusable faults.
What's the S10 like on fuel?
You echo my thoughts - part of the reason I ride older 1150's
At least the issues are known & identifiable and like the airhead can be fixed in a straightforward logical mechanical way, without a dealer's computer to interject
That's why the S10 has some appeal & it's a Yam, with shaft drive
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