Fuck Garmin!

Garmin's consumer navigation software is done. Has been for years. There is no expectation for it to get better or get out of the nosedive they are in*.
The devices, hardware-wise are sometimes good. The handhelds way better, but that's another story.

Personally, I decided to keep using my XT until it will physically fail (I think we're close), but won't stay with Garmin after that.
Hopefully some new players, apart from MRA, will enter the market.


*Garmin is printing money with wearables/fitness devices. I guess they cannot care less about Zumos and co. Also, that market is shrinking.
 
Garmin's consumer navigation software is done. Has been for years. There is no expectation for it to get better or get out of the nosedive they are in*.
The devices, hardware-wise are sometimes good. The handhelds way better, but that's another story.

Personally, I decided to keep using my XT until it will physically fail (I think we're close), but won't stay with Garmin after that.
Hopefully some new players, apart from MRA, will enter the market.


*Garmin is printing money with wearables/fitness devices. I guess they cannot care less about Zumos and co. Also, that market is shrinking.
Rumour has it JohnnyBoxer is thinking about upgrading from 2610 to 2660 so there’s still a market .
 
The last Garmin nav motorcycle device that was actually useful was the Zumo 500 series. You plotted a route in BC, downloaded it onto the device and headed off. None of this smart independent thinking/rerouting shite that ultimately makes a f*ck up of your long awaited tour of motorbiking heaven. I too have washed my hands of the BMW Nav 6 as I only used it as a supplementary dashboard on my R1200GS (non TFT bike).
 
Different businesses/units/production.
I wouldn't bundle the two at all.


Also, in general, designing and building software for the general consumer market (that generally shouldn't require training) is a different task, and requires different outcomes, than working on more specialised/dedicated systems (not even considering the extra step that is the aviation environment).

But still... we would have expected better :D
 
I generally like Garmin devices but I think my XT will be my last. You can't fault the hardware. I still have all of my Garmin navs and they all still work. Note to self must stop hoarding shite.

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But Garmins software offerings are poor. While loads of folk did not like basecamp none of their online offerings have anywhere near the functionality of that software. I've moved to MRA for route navigation and OSMand+ for track navigation. I still use the XT for proximity alerted custom POI's as none of the android/ios navigation apps handle this well. I still use basecamp for handling POI's and tracks again because none of the IOS/Android apps handle this well. I like MRA particularly for on the fly route planning as its easy and quick. Devices like phone mirroring or dedicated tablets/phones are great as you can swap apps to one that suits your needs in the circumstances. I often now use google maps in the middle of a route to find a coffee/lunch stop using voice commands. The big issue is that the success of the app depends on the success of the device(s) you are using them on......so while one person might have a great experience of MRA another might not depending on how sucessfully the hardware they are using interacts with the software. Probably why DMD2 are trying to control the Software and Hardware aspects of their offering.
 
I generally like Garmin devices but I think my XT will be my last. You can't fault the hardware. I still have all of my Garmin navs and they all still work. Note to self must stop hoarding shite.

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But Garmins software offerings are poor. While loads of folk did not like basecamp none of their online offerings have anywhere near the functionality of that software. I've moved to MRA for route navigation and OSMand+ for track navigation. I still use the XT for proximity alerted custom POI's as none of the android/ios navigation apps handle this well. I still use basecamp for handling POI's and tracks again because none of the IOS/Android apps handle this well. I like MRA particularly for on the fly route planning as its easy and quick. Devices like phone mirroring or dedicated tablets/phones are great as you can swap apps to one that suits your needs in the circumstances. I often now use google maps in the middle of a route to find a coffee/lunch stop using voice commands. The big issue is that the success of the app depends on the success of the device(s) you are using them on......so while one person might have a great experience of MRA another might not depending on how sucessfully the hardware they are using interacts with the software. Probably why DMD2 are trying to control the Software and Hardware aspects of their offering.
Doesn’t your 2600 series look gorgeous on top left of pic

King of motorcycle Sat Nav’s
 
I can't understand why anyone would buy any kind of standalone Sat Nav anymore.

Android does it all better. With far more flexibility. For far less.
 
I clearly didn’t re-visit the Garmin woes often enough, as in spite of my past hate for the things, I succumbed to the purchase of an XT2 (Off here).

  1. As an A to B unit, it’s absolutely fine
  2. Tread App seems to be a step back in many ways whilst Drive was I thought tolerable
  3. Making sure all you download to the XT are Tracks seems to work.
I have a secondhand iPhone with a crap battery that I use in a powered cradle with MRS and I use and like the Beeline Moto 2. Take aways? Never rely solely on one form of navigation ;) The XT, being a true Satellite nav unit, will work where there is no phone signal and as such it has it’s place.
 
I clearly didn’t re-visit the Garmin woes often enough, as in spite of my past hate for the things, I succumbed to the purchase of an XT2 (Off here).

  1. As an A to B unit, it’s absolutely fine
  2. Tread App seems to be a step back in many ways whilst Drive was I thought tolerable
  3. Making sure all you download to the XT are Tracks seems to work.
I have a secondhand iPhone with a crap battery that I use in a powered cradle with MRS and I use and like the Beeline Moto 2. Take aways? Never rely solely on one form of navigation ;) The XT, being a true Satellite nav unit, will work where there is no phone signal and as such it has it’s place.
Exactly .
I bought an iPhone SE in here for £90 and I use that linked to my Aoocci leaning my good phone in my pocket .
Never rely on one device .
My last experience with Garmin was when my XT battery failed mid trip . Luckily I had all the routes on my phone and had a Peak Design mount on the bike .
 
Perhaps a suggestion? Oi! :duck:

Rather than pick these types of units how about choosing different ones?
The 27- series originally marine units- have been for many years and still are spot on. My 276cX is my workhorse. Button operated. Great Nav .

I do not need to text nor take phone calls; I do not use the 'wally wheel' (:green gri) nor need to see incoming SMS or Whatsup etc as, amazingly, I am out travelling with my motorcycle enjoying all the joys it brings.
Could it be that the need for endless gadgets wired into each other can possibly be issue? I believe this is at the root of a great many of them. Naturally I respect everyone's choices.

(and I'll not mention the amount of time wasted waiting for such owners to power up all their toys while others try to get off the Eurotunnel train... worse than change fumblers at French toll gates...) :augie
 
Perhaps a suggestion? Oi! :duck:

Rather than pick these types of units how about choosing different ones?
The 27- series originally marine units- have been for many years and still are spot on. My 276cX is my workhorse. Button operated. Great Nav .

I do not need to text nor take phone calls; I do not use the 'wally wheel' (:green gri) nor need to see incoming SMS or Whatsup etc as, amazingly, I am out travelling with my motorcycle enjoying all the joys it brings.
Could it be that the need for endless gadgets wired into each other can possibly be issue? I believe this is at the root of a great many of them. Naturally I respect everyone's choices.

(and I'll not mention the amount of time wasted waiting for such owners to power up all their toys while others try to get off the Eurotunnel train... worse than change fumblers at French toll gates...) :augie
What about if you want to use a planning app that wasn’t last updated in 1992 ?
 
Until your phone goes dead….
I could carry five new phones for for the price of A Garmin.

And every one of them would have more processing power, memory, flexibility and uses than a Sat Nav that you are tied into.

I use a fully waterproof android smart phone as my Sat Nav. Cost £150.

My personal phone stays in my jacket pocket.
 
I turn my phone off when riding, and if i have to, I will start wrapping it up in something to block any possible signals. I used to be a big tech fan, building home computers, buying software, and at work too with machine PLC's, but now things are bad. The ferengi have taken over ......
I still haven't bought any type of navigation device and the things I read about them are not encouraging .... I like to go thru a route with a 2 dimensional map and then just memorize it. If I could get a device that just brings up maps to study that would help .... But at the same time as all this is going on, it has become very difficult to even bring up a interactive map on a phone or computer, obviously manipulation ......
 
It seeems that uploading from Basecamp files causes less issues - but Garmin stopped developing and supporting it long ago, and maybe it is just useful for them to point the finger at MRA or Google, at the end of the day it is a file with a list of coordinates, and why can it work after you stop the route / start the route / save the route on the device - so the data in the route is not the problem, it is clearly a bug in how it initially calculates routes, and probably not much effort for a coder to go and make sure it uses the same calulation method for the imported route as it does for the ones you have saved once in the route - bloody poor show, simply no excuse.

I had a lot more success with the 340 / 345 I had previously, the screen is not very good, the thing is bloody slow at everything, scrolling around the screen is painful and when you load a route onto it it takes an age to do the calculations, but then it very reliably follows your route, especially if you have done a good amount of checking and have enough waypoints.

The XT has a great screen, is fast and responsive, an OK media player (it works) the "up ahead" info is good, the weather radar even works quite well, the ability (before they killed it off) to send a route via the Drive app was ace, live traffic is OK, but I find it often offers a detour that almost certainly added to the journey time.

If only it just matched the earlier devices to reliably take you along your route, the fact it is clearly worse than its predecessors on its primary function is unforgiveable, if it was a bug when first launched I would cut them some slack, even if it took a good few months for them to fix the bug, test it and get it into an update, but for the flaw to follow the XT1 for its entire sales duration is abysmal, for the flaw to still exist in the XT2 is a piss take.

The only reason I will keep it is because I own it, have the mount and power on the bike etc. when it dies, or if I change bikes it is a goner, and Garmin will not see a penny from me, not for any product, this is what the bean counters do not get, they may have saved a tiny bit of money by fucking loyal customers over on the Nav units, and think we wil buy them anyway, and probably buy their other products - no fucking way!

Meanwhile MRA have worked tirelessly (see what I did there) to create a decent product, at first it was way off a dedicated Sat Nav, but it kept improving, their support folk got back to you, would admit if your issue was a bug, and would tell you (without lying) they are working on it, they have great cimmunity where the company look at what people are saying, and they engage with their customers for feedback and ask what new features would you like to see.....

....and now their product pretty much matches an XT in every respect, and the core functionality of navigation is definately ahead, I often run them side-by-side just to see, and over time the gap has narrowed to nothing, with a big screen to mirror the phone to I can also run the Nav and my phones music player, use any weather tracking app I like etc etc. It is the future, one Garmin seem to be pushing us towards....

...You know they will one day launch "The Garmin Zumo" app expecting us to all rush out and sign up, I think they will be very dissapointed!
 
I generally like Garmin devices but I think my XT will be my last. You can't fault the hardware. I still have all of my Garmin navs and they all still work. Note to self must stop hoarding shite.

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But Garmins software offerings are poor. While loads of folk did not like basecamp none of their online offerings have anywhere near the functionality of that software. I've moved to MRA for route navigation and OSMand+ for track navigation. I still use the XT for proximity alerted custom POI's as none of the android/ios navigation apps handle this well. I still use basecamp for handling POI's and tracks again because none of the IOS/Android apps handle this well. I like MRA particularly for on the fly route planning as its easy and quick. Devices like phone mirroring or dedicated tablets/phones are great as you can swap apps to one that suits your needs in the circumstances. I often now use google maps in the middle of a route to find a coffee/lunch stop using voice commands. The big issue is that the success of the app depends on the success of the device(s) you are using them on......so while one person might have a great experience of MRA another might not depending on how sucessfully the hardware they are using interacts with the software. Probably why DMD2 are trying to control the Software and Hardware aspects of their offering.
My Nor7 should arrive this week. I will see how I get on with it.
 
I can't understand why anyone would buy any kind of standalone Sat Nav anymore.

Android does it all better. With far more flexibility. For far less.
Because basecamp is a far better option for planning routes. Partly because it’s free. No subscription fees. Also basecamp sends the route directly to the st nav.
 


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