I wonder how many of us keep our very favourite places to ourselves in these days of social media?

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This was a question asked by Simon_100 in the Oilheads subsection, in a thread about a bod’s (excellent) extended jaunt in Spain. It came about, in part at least, talking about the marmite town of Potes.


From my point of view, nothing exists in a vacuum for long. Well before the internet, people of all sorts were recommending places across the globe to go to. That these recommendations were usually in a book (travel guides have been around for many, many years) and / or in travel programmes on the television, maybe restricted the audience and / or many people had less disposable income - or the transport means - to go to see the places. That has changed, arguably for the better and certainly for the easier.

That aside, people like to be told of places. This forum and travel section has many examples each month. Anything from requests for an entire holiday, through to specific gorges or a plea for a road of perhaps 30 miles of ‘twisties’ from A to B. Similarly, people like to plug hotel XYZ, which they have discovered. And really, why keep quiet about it? For every, “This is my secret place”, that there will often be 10 or more within a few miles is almost certain, whilst 10 to 1 says, you’ll not be the only person on the globe to know about it anyway. It’s easy to moan, “The place was full of other people….” but then all but ignore that the moaner themselves also formed a part of the ‘other people’, too. Yes, magazines will publish “This is a cracking road”, because, put simply, there is a demand for it *. Yes, people will ask for “Tell me a quiet hotel, close to where I want to go”. Sometimes it’s out of laziness or a lack of imagination (this forum is often overly quick to criticise ‘youth’ for being spoon fed) but quite often simply because people just don’t know. In a way, it is nice to help them discover “This is my secret” and hopefully help them to have a good time.


* You can see the responses on the forum: “But that misses out the road from X to Y, it’s sublime”. So, people do like sharing things or, at its most base, just enjoy criticising for the sake of it.
 
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We wouldn't go to places if others hadn't told their story because we wouldn't know about them. All of my trips and destinations have been inspired by other people and the special memories remain for years, some people's stories inspire me to just travel with nothing booked or 'must see' tick list and they always leave special memories.
Thanks to all who share stories and inspire us, long may it continue 👍
 
Not exactly sure my simple mind understands the point here but as per @Tonibe63 reply I have ventured further thanks to the reports by many on here. I even have set up my own website dedicated mostly to my travels on bikes but more for my own enjoyment and reflection.
I don't mind the criticism, it helps learn more for another trip, and everyone has their opinions on any trip or tour or hotel or route…..
This is what brought me to this forum in the first place. 2 brilliant bits of advice I got from here were how to use the Logis website for hotels in France and a great trip report on Los Picos which set me up for my first trip this year. ….and i hope now that my experiences help others in their adventures….
Long may it continue
 
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It's a tricky one. I used to make notes during the Tour de France coverage on Channel 4 back in the 80s when planning trips, now maybe I am inspired by various Youtubers or forum ride reports (or sometimes noting places to avoid!). I don't suppose many of us operate in a vacuum and can use info as we see fit - there have always been guide books and travel tales.

The beauty of touring independently on a motorcycle is that if you don't like a place you can move on, and vice versa.

I do support efforts to limit numbers in hotspots - Machu Picchu (sp?) seemed very well organised when we visited a couple of years ago (numbers strictly limited) as opposed to Dubrovnik last year which was hopeless.
 
Guilty as charged, Richard. 🙋‍♂️ insofar as I do keep gems to myself sometimes. I don't, however, go in for the criticising.

My excuse is: it's my back yard, so I don't consider myself falling into the category of "other people".

There is an argument for "gradual disclosure" I have no truck with making a guidance comment such as the one I gave to people like Grantmac about the mountain Passes near to Riaño, but I perhaps wouldn't make that same comment on the posts of some others. Neither would I start a post telling everyone about the great roads and hotels I have discovered on my travels. In part this is because Potes and the HDO are clear examples of what happens if you do, and partly because it really takes the discovery element of the adventure out of it.

There's plenty of information (this website is well known for it) if you can be bothered to spend the time looking.
 
You can still find a quiet spot, all to yourself
Somewhere
Sometime
I often find that no matter how busy a place or room is when I arrive it seems to empty within minutes of me getting there. I guess I've just been incredibly lucky over all these years.......
 
For my first trip to France on a bike in 1995 I used Michelin 1:200,000 maps and the Rough Guide. These led me to Puy de Dome, where you could ride to the top back then. Shuttle bus only now. We also did a large chunk of the RDGA from Beaufort down to the Bonnette. My travel companion was someone I met from the Honda Owners Club.
Nowadays, my research is online and I rarely use formal travel guides. My travel companions are mostly my friends off the internet, mostly people from the usenet group, UKRM that I encountered in 1999. This usenet group, which survives today, was perhaps the forerunner to this place. Rather robust, unmoderated and full of trolls but it was an excellent travel resource.
I have shared many of my travel experiences on here, with some recent posts about hotels. I can't be arsed to do a full travelogue but will chip in if someone asks about an area I have visited.
I understand the concerns raised by some about places becoming too popular. I live in Powys and we are very reliant on tourism with many rural pubs reliant on trade from the local shanty town of cabins alongside the River Severn or Vyrnwy. It does mean I avoid certain places and roads during school holidays. There are plenty of roads less travelled to use.
It is sad when a viral post on Insta or 'tube goes viral and hordes descend on somewhere, clog the roads, take a selfie and fúck off again without spending money in the area. Bibury in the Cotswolds suffers from this, where hordes of tourists from SE Asia turn up on a coach, trudge 100m to Arlington Row, take the selfie and get back on the coach to their hotel in London or Oxford.
In the Picos, we have had a gravel road closed due to some viral videos bringing in too many wannabe influencers upsetting the local vultures. Sotres to Espinama.
 
Guilty as charged, Richard. 🙋‍♂️ insofar as I do keep gems to myself sometimes.

My excuse is: it's my back yard…..

And if you move, what then?

There's plenty of information (this website is well known for it) if you can be bothered to spend the time looking

Where do books like this fit in. Presumably written by a local?


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It is sad when a viral post on Insta or 'tube goes viral and hordes descend on somewhere, clog the roads, take a selfie and fúck off again without spending money in the area

Films have the same effect. That bay in Vietnam, let alone the one on Ireland’s west coast, have seen an explosion of visitors.

I guess it’s a double edged sword. The local government (often) subsidises the film, as it promotes the country or area. Bods flock in, so somebody builds a hotel or opens a chip shop. Locals and visitors (as if they are the only one who’s ‘discovered’ it) then moan, as it’s spoiled.
 
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hotel del oso I assume. Full of Brit bikers, best avoided.
Really? When we were there a few weeks ago there was one other biker on a K 1600 Bagger...Cloggy like myself. Not a ´´Brit Biker´´ in sight but a lot of old Brit wrinklies and Sceptics staying for the hiking. Judging by the boat loads coming off in Santander the day before I can imagine the whole area is full of many bikers of all nationalities as well as Brits.
Hotel Del Oso, (HDO) to me was a lovely place, quiet location, great hotel, lovely lounges, bar, good restaurant big spacious rooms and for 2 nights at EURO 270 for both, definitely great value...that was including 2 evening meals, brekky and 2 bottles of wine with the 2 dinners.
 
When you go to visit these popular places can make a huge difference.
I always go out and about in the off season. You quite often get the fantastic scenic places all to yourself. :thumb2
If you always go out on a nice warm sunny weekend then you’ll always have problems.

that was one of the advantages of dropping to a 4 day week, a 3 day weekend. I lived in Cheltenham and I used to visit places in the Cotswolds, Forest of Dean and Wye Valley on my extra weekend day, Monday.
 
Really? When we were there a few weeks ago there was one other biker on a K 1600 Bagger...Cloggy like myself. Not a ´´Brit Biker´´ in sight but a lot of old Brit wrinklies and Sceptics staying for the hiking. Judging by the boat loads coming off in Santander the day before I can imagine the whole area is full of many bikers of all nationalities as well as Brits.
Hotel Del Oso, (HDO) to me was a lovely place, quiet location, great hotel, lovely lounges, bar, good restaurant big spacious rooms and for 2 nights at EURO 270 definitely great value...that was including 2 evening meals, brekky and 2 bottles of wine with the 2 dinners.

is your irony meter broken?
 
My best experience of this was by watching Micheal Portillo on a european train journey. 1 shot of him standing in front of a particular hotel and i was hooked.
After much research we went the next year and thoroughly enjoyed it. Ive subsequently been back about 5 times. For me it's all about watching the sun set over the mountains with a glass of Stiegel proving hydration. Marvellous.
One pal went with a group of biker mate a year later and told me it was shite. He prefers the Enzian hotel type experience, Oh well, you can't educate a plank.
Some folk don't want to experience a different side to life.
 
For some of my early forays into continental touring on my bike I bought this book circa 1980 after it being featured on a TV travel show. I did two routes in the first year and the others over the following years. Did it spoil France for motorcycle touring, I doubt it, but it inspired me to do much more over the following decades.
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